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Offline ecappler

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Issues with ammunition
« on: April 11, 2012, 12:31:58 AM »
Bought my R9 in June last year.  First 2 months had several problems with failure to eject.  I shoot a lot of ammo through the gun.  If the instructions say replace the recoil spring after 200 rounds I'm going to go to the range and shoot 200 rounds, replace the spring, and then shoot 200 more over the next few weeks.  Sent the gun back because of the FTE problems.  Got it back.  Same problem surfaced the first week I went to the range.  Buddy who is a cop was with me.  Said " let's try other ammo."  Another 30 rounds produced the following conclusion: works great with ammo that's heavier than 115 grains.  My gun FTE if I use ammo that's lighter than 125 grains.  Therefore, I use 147 grain ammo.  Nowhere, on any forum, etc did I find this information anywhere else.

Conclusion: expensive guns require expensive ammo.  Don't have a problem with that as long as they're dependable.

Since I learned the above information, I've carried the R9 every day with heavy ammo and feel confident.  Love the size, accuracy, and feel of the gun.

Love the gun.

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Offline thor447

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 06:50:00 AM »
Welcome to the forum.   You're conclusion is dead on.  The expensive guns sure like expensive ammunition. 
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 07:24:39 AM »
Bought my R9 in June last year.  First 2 months had several problems with failure to eject.  I shoot a lot of ammo through the gun.  If the instructions say replace the recoil spring after 200 rounds I'm going to go to the range and shoot 200 rounds, replace the spring, and then shoot 200 more over the next few weeks.  Sent the gun back because of the FTE problems.  Got it back.  Same problem surfaced the first week I went to the range.  Buddy who is a cop was with me.  Said " let's try other ammo."  Another 30 rounds produced the following conclusion: works great with ammo that's heavier than 115 grains.  My gun FTE if I use ammo that's lighter than 125 grains.  Therefore, I use 147 grain ammo.  Nowhere, on any forum, etc did I find this information anywhere else.

Conclusion: expensive guns require expensive ammo.  Don't have a problem with that as long as they're dependable.

Since I learned the above information, I've carried the R9 every day with heavy ammo and feel confident.  Love the size, accuracy, and feel of the gun.

Love the gun.

More to come...

Welcome to the Forum.  Excellent decision on getting the R9.  Some R9's are picky on their diet and do require certain ammos; now that you know that info, glad you are a happy camper.  Continue to enjoy and again, welcome.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 10:05:14 AM by kjtrains »
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Offline Z

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 08:23:35 AM »
Welcome to the forum.

Enjoy shooting your PUP!
Let us know how the next range reports go.

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2012, 11:49:30 AM »
New to the forum, my agency carries 9mm +p+ can I fire it out of an R9?

I dont intend to shoot +p+ regularly only a few magazines worth to insure they will cycle reliably.
Basically carry 9mm +p+ in an R9 and god willing never fire same.
Will pratice and qualify with 9mm fmj standard pressure(agency uses american eagle red box 115 grain fmj)

Will the R9 go BOOM in may hand and face?

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2012, 12:35:15 PM »
I certainly would not.  There has been a discussion going on about +P+ ammo on the Boberg forum and Arne Boberg has done some testing it sounds like.  He says some of the pressures generated by the +P+ is way up there and do not even think about it in his pistols that are +P rated.

I would not want to shoot the quantity it takes to make sure the ammo and pistol are compatible.

Just my opinion.

Offline Z

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2012, 01:15:12 PM »
No +P+ or +P at all for the Rohrbaugh R9!

If you check the magazine in your PUP it will state it on there.

You would damage the firearm. Not exactly certain how damaged it would get, but i can bet it would not be pretty!

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2012, 01:54:02 PM »
No +P+ or +P at all for the Rohrbaugh R9!

If you check the magazine in your PUP it will state it on there.

You would damage the firearm. Not exactly certain how damaged it would get, but i can bet it would not be pretty!

As Adam and MRC have said; no +P or +P+; this is also stated in the owner's manual.  Do heed this warning, for sure! 

http://rohrbaughfirearms.com/pdf/owners_manual.pdf
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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 07:26:38 PM »
All right. Here I go with my personal opinion, which is free and worth every penny you pay for it.

After studying ANSI/SAAMI publication Z299, "Voluntary Industry Performance Standards for Pressure and Velocity of Centerfire Pistol and Revolver Ammuinition for the Use of Commercial Manufacturers," I am assured that there is no, repeat NO, meaningful benefit from firing a +P (or, God forbid, a +P+) 9mm round from a pocket pistol with a barrel length of 3"+/-.  All you would be doing is placing undue stress on all components of the pistol except the barrel itself.

With a 13-ounce pocket pistol chambered for the 9mm Parabellum round, such as the Rohrbaugh R9, what more effect does one expect of the piece in a close-quarters self-defense situation than what would be delivered by a quality standard-pressure, expanding hollow point such as the Gold Dot, Silver Tip, or Golden Saber? If you want a higher pressure round in 9mm, get a larger and heavier handgun. (Just know that it won't weigh in at 13 ounces and will probably not fit in your pocket.) 

I seem to recall that one senior and esteemed member of this Forum has reported on a 9mm Hi-Power that "blew out" a grip panel with a high pressure round -- fortunately with no harm to the shooter.

Here is again some free opinion from a born "risk taker" who, in spite of the odds, has been lucky enough to have outlived most of his enemies and survived into his vigorous seventies --

1. Don't push the pressure limits of your guns.
2. Don't redline your sports cars.
3. Don't test the limits of the Navy SCUBA Dive Tables.
4. And never, never, trust someone else's piton on a rock face.

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 10:56:54 PM »

2. Don't redline your sports cars.

Hmmm....   I bounce mine off the rev limiter on a regular basis on the Autocross course.  It just starts to get fun after crossing through 4000 rpm.

My R9 has seen nothing but 115g ammo, which it feeds and ejects flawlessly.  Interesting that heavier ammo will work better in another R9.

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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 12:18:46 PM »
Thanks for the information all. The only reason I want to fire +p+ is that is what my agency issues for duty rounds. If I want to carry it on duty I must use their ammo. I know the balistic gain would be minimal over standard pressure. Eric told me that I should consider another pistol then, has anyone tried +p+ in a R9?

http://gunwrite.com/forums/threads/11-I-want-update...-Rohrbaugh-brothers-introducing-R45.-Big-holes-small-package.




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Re: Issues with ammunition
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 08:21:33 PM »
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