Help Please, updated (Karl called)

[kjtrains]

When John gets the O-Rings in stock, may be a good time to try those.

[MRC]

That's my plan.

[Z]

MRC

I am also aprehensive about using locktite.
I just make certain the grip screws are tight even of I don't shoot it.

[MRC]

That is how I have been handling it Z.

One thing I do know is if I had somewhere north of $1700.00 in a near new Covert and they were putting Heli-coils in my frame from a factory screw up, I'd be pissed.  Maybe I am just hard to get a long with.

[Z]

I would have the same reaction.

Fortunatly I only had 1 problem with a cheap allen wrench. I removed the screw witha torx bit and purchased a HUDY precision allen whench and have been AOK ever since!

[tracker]

imo, Loctite is part of the problem not part of the solution.

[Z]

Tracker
I could not agree more!

I have never had any problems without using locktite other than an allen wrench issue.

[Z]

I will try John O ring solution. I do not see it causing any issues.

[backupr9]

That is how I have been handling it Z.

One thing I do know is if I had somewhere north of $1700.00 in a near new Covert and they were putting Heli-coils in my frame from a factory screw up, I'd be pissed.  Maybe I am just hard to get a long with.

From this I am assuming that the heli-coil is not just a screw removal system, but an insert into a buggered screw hole in the frame.  If so, I am also an unhappy camper since the problem was caused by factory use of a permanent type of loctite which must have been, as well, over torqued to cause the damage?

[tracker]

Loctite is a band-aid to a weak screw design issue.

[Jack_F]

That is how I have been handling it Z.

One thing I do know is if I had somewhere north of $1700.00 in a near new Covert and they were putting Heli-coils in my frame from a factory screw up, I'd be pissed.  Maybe I am just hard to get a long with.

From this I am assuming that the heli-coil is not just a screw removal system, but an insert into a buggered screw hole in the frame.  If so, I am also an unhappy camper since the problem was caused by factory use of a permanent type of loctite which must have been, as well, over torqued to cause the damage?

I don't think there is enough thickness for a heli-coil...here is how a large one is installed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFYa6sjhh_E

[Richard S]

As one who has long advocated the use of O-rings, permit me to post this photo of one about to be installed on R9 No. 132 wearing a set of VZ grips. Also shown are five spares for use in due course:

[yankee2500]

That is how I have been handling it Z.

One thing I do know is if I had somewhere north of $1700.00 in a near new Covert and they were putting Heli-coils in my frame from a factory screw up, I'd be pissed.  Maybe I am just hard to get a long with.

From this I am assuming that the heli-coil is not just a screw removal system, but an insert into a buggered screw hole in the frame.  If so, I am also an unhappy camper since the problem was caused by factory use of a permanent type of loctite which must have been, as well, over torqued to cause the damage?

I don't think there is enough thickness for a heli-coil...here is how a large one is installed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFYa6sjhh_E

You can install a helicoil in any thickness that can be threaded.
  The helicoil is actually stronger than the aluminum and that's the reason they use them in the Aerospace industry, when you put the screw in it's a steel to steel contact and not steel to Aluminum.

[MRC]

Loctite is a band-aid to a weak screw design issue.

Amen!

[backupr9]

Thanks Jack...interesting video and a good explanation.  Re:  loctite...don't see much of a problem with loctite blue, but it really doesn't hold for long.  NEVER use the white.  I'm going with the o-rings on John's screws when I get this back.