Just wondering...

[GeorgeH]

Who would buy a 22 trainer if Rohrbaugh offerred one in the future? And, if not, why not?

[DDGator]

That would be cool.  I love .22 conversions.  Count me in.

[R9SCarry]

Wondering George whether you mean a discreet entity . R9 ''lookalike'' but as a .22 dedicated caliber.

Or - whether we had available something after the fashion of a Ceiner ... if of course that would even work.

In principle I'd be more than interested.

[GeorgeH]

What I'm thinking about is a 22 LR lookalike. A firearm that would allow someone to train more but more cost effectively.

[Mr_Jody_Hudson]

I suspect the cost of a Rohrbaugh in .22 would need to be in the area of $600 to $800 at least.  That will buy a LOT of WWB, for practice!  

[GeorgeH]

No, a 22 would allow the Rohrbaugh Brothers use a casting for the frame, instead of forged billet, which would reduce the price.

[Mr_Jody_Hudson]

Ahhh, would that bring it down to $500, or less do you think?

The Walther TPH, after the Walthers were bought from Interarms by Smith and Wesson were discount wholesaled out for $333 several years ago... They had been retailing for $600 or so just before that...

What would be your guess for retail value/price and how would the Rohrbaughs recoup the start-up cost, in your opinion?  Do you think there would be a large enough market, or that it would Catalyze  sales of the R9s so that .22 buyers would want the 9mms and 9mm buyers would want the .22s, etc?

I know the market for the Walther TPHs was very small, they were pricey and they were not of good quality, compared to the Rohrbaughs and supposedly they were very unprofitable.  In other words, with a wholesale price, at the end, over $500 they were losing money and at the same time not spending enough to make a good enough quality pistol.

[GeorgeH]

Hi Jody:

By going to a casting, you reduce waste and machining cost. The retail price point could be brought under $500 without difficulty.
  

[Mr_Jody_Hudson]

Well... I LOVE my little TPHs, but they each had to go back for repairs... to make them like they should have been the first time out the factory door -- went back at least 4 times each!

I LOVE small, make that tiny, pistols that are accurate, reliable and durable.  It would be great to have another choice, like a Rohrbaugh .22 look-alike of the R9s.

My preferance would be for the Rohrbaugh brothers to make a ton of money in what they do, so that they can keep on doing it!  Whatever form and features that takes, I imagine I will be a supporter and purchaser!!!!!

[GeorgeH]

I agree, I can't see the Rohrbaugh brothers selling a piece of crap. All I'm trying to do in with this post is to see how many would like a 22 look-a-like pistol.

[Mr_Jody_Hudson]

OK... YES.  

[shooterjb]

Hi George,

I realize that I am a little late getting into this thread, but I like the idea of practicing with the 9mm R9S. I have plenty of .22s to shoot if I want to. For the $10.98 price that Wal-Mart gets for 100 of the Winchester White Box 115 grain 9mms, you can't beat it. It doesn't pay me to reload for that price. In fact, if I don't feel like it, I don't even pick up the brass.

Frank

[GeorgeH]

Hi Frank:

I got sold on the idea of a 22 trainer from the NAA board. I always thought the idea was dumb, now I think it is great. As to WWB ammo from Walmart, I love it.

[Michigunner]

I would buy a .22LR conversion kit for the R9S, but really need the .380 Auto kit much, much more.

[Aglifter]

Well, I think my Kimber w. a 22 conversion is a great little toy...and I have this strange problem w. guns following me home... so yes, I'd like one, but I really think it'd be hard to R bros. to make a business case for it -- unless it's something they want to have for themselves, I just don't see the hundred or so of us that would probably want one justifying the R&D, etc -- of course, I've never designed a gun, so maybe it's not that hard to design a kit for 22 conversion -- I wouldn't want a different, cheaper gun, but I'd really appreciate something that could lower the recoil down on the pup to the point where I could go fire a few hundred rounds on a range day, so that I could get more comfortable w. it