Critcal Defense FTX 115g

[hoserack]

I know everyone raves about Gold Dots on this forum and they are recomended by Rohrbaugh.
I currently carry the GD 115g

I have seen the video on Hornady about thier CD ammo and it looks pretty good.

I know they had a primer problem but I am sure that has been resolved.

What is the thought on this ammo now a days?

[tracker]

My opinion is to avoid anything Hornady.

[MRC]

I have always carried the Gold Dots, but why not try a box of the Hornady CD.  If they do not work, a guy isn't out that much.  I think I will after doing a little research this A.M.

[sslater]

There was a thread on Hornady Critical Defense ammo about a year ago.  Several forum members had failure-to-go-bang issues with certain lots of Hornady C.D.  
 
For what it's worth, I think the biggest attraction of Hornady C.D. is its (relatively) reasonable price compared to other brands of premium ammo.  BUT, unlike the other brands of premium ammo - Hornady does NOT make its own primers*, thus they can't control primer quality.  Because other members have had issues, I would not carry my R9 with C.D. ammo.  

*Remember, there was a really severe primer shortage in 2009 - 2010.  For a period of 6 months I could not buy a single primer from anyone!  Finally bought 1000 Fiocchi small pistol primers.  Imagine what its like for a volume manufacturer who needs to buy in quantities of 100,000 or 200,000 per week!  



Steve

[hoserack]

I like the expansion therory with the soft rubber expanding the round.
Also keeping the clothing material out.
It is a great idea imho.
THey expanded well in the video.
I know it is a Hornaday video but I doubt they would rig it.

[yankee2500]

The problem with the Hornady in the Rohrbaugh was there was not reliable primer ignition due to hard primers.

[MRC]

Hornady in my opinion is a very good company and I would think that they probably have gotten that straightened out by now.

CCI and Winchester always had the reputation of having the hardest cup material in there primers and they are the makers of the prefered ammunition for the R9.  I really believe that Hornady got ahold of some bad primers at the time of the shortage.  Just my opinion.

Why not try a box and find out?

[tracker]

It wasn't just "getting ahold of bad primers" that turned me off it was the attitude of Hornady after numerous telephone conversations with the production manager. He told me in no uncertain terms that they would buy primers wherever they could find them and they considered this a gun issue not an ammo issue. I don't understand your persistent interest in trying out questionable ammo in the R9 when there are proven flawless products from other manufacturers who make their own primers.

For the record I was one of their biggest fans because of the accuracy and other desirable defense characteristics mentioned here. I am the proud owner of 25 boxes that will be used at the range unless somebody wants to buy them.

[MRC]

Just stating my opinion.  If I got stuck with a bunch of bad product, I would feel exactly like you.

Find someone with a Glock or a Kahr and I bet they go off.  That has been my experience with striker fired pistols.

[tracker]

They will be range fodder for my Glocks.

[hoserack]

It wasn't just "getting ahold of bad primers" that turned me off it was the attitude of Hornady after numerous telephone conversations with the production manager. He told me in no uncertain terms that they would buy primers wherever they could find them and they considered this a gun issue not an ammo issue. I don't understand your persistent interest in trying out questionable ammo in the R9 when there are proven flawless products from other manufacturers who make their own primers.

For the record I was one of their biggest fans because of the accuracy and other desirable defense characteristics mentioned here. I am the proud owner of 25 boxes that will be used at the range unless somebody wants to buy them.

With all due respect, I understand why you don't like the Hornaday, but do you think new CD ammo will,
1. Not function well because of an on going primer issue?
2. Not function as marketed?

[tracker]

I don't know what the new CD ammo will or won't do because I don't intend to buy and try another Hornady product. As I explained above, it is the culture and character of the organization that was unacceptable. One mea culpa outweighs ten thousand denials; I didn't hear anything but self-justification from them.

Their ads and promises are terrific but why take a chance once you've been burned and received a poor response? Mr. Joyce Hornady, the deceased founder, would not have tolerated such poor quality control but, apparently, Ben Franklin runs the show now.

[MRC]

hoserack

You got my interest up and I ordered a couple of boxes of the CD's that ship today.  I will give a range report soon and if I have time I will get the chronograph out and compare the GD's, Federal, and the CD's.

The CD's are a little tough to find.  I got the last two boxes and they had no idea when the next ones come in.  I am also going to try the 380 CD's.

[Reinz]

I'm in Tracker's corner on this one.

Attitude is everything when dealing with consumers and in this instance it spoke volumnes.

[yankee2500]

hoserack

You got my interest up and I ordered a couple of boxes of the CD's that ship today.  I will give a range report soon and if I have time I will get the chronograph out and compare the GD's, Federal, and the CD's.

The CD's are a little tough to find.  I got the last two boxes and they had no idea when the next ones come in.  I am also going to try the 380 CD's.

I have a couple of boxes of the 380s I would part with, shoot me a PM if your interested.