Need your input please

[tracker]

Thank you. The question is, would you buy a gun knowing that those barrel flaws are present? I would not.

[kjtrains]

I'm with you there.  

[FloridaCCW]

I agree

[coyote]

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[yankee2500]

Roger that....but many have them so whats the next move ??

[MRC]

I'm keeping mine.  The gun is made to carry and not shoot very often anyway.  To me it is a "light carry, or backup gun" anyway.  I have other firearms if I really think things could get serious.

I just hope that Rohrbaugh takes notice.

[Reinz]

I don't have a dog in this fight but no one said it is about accuracy; it is just simply quality control and any owner has the right to question manufacturing inconsistency. See the below link on reaming.




http://www.lasc.us/RangingShotBarrelMakingFeature.htm

Good Info

I am not trying to fight.

I am just saying that I can not believe this attitude of "the sky is falling".


One minute everyone is in love with their guns and one or two guys show some cosmetic flaw and next thing we have a freak out!  And now the factory has a rash of calls.

Has anyone done any testing before demanding that these are  "bad" barrels?

It's simple: just get a third party shooter and don't tell him what the test is.  Put a pie plate 15-21 feet downrange.  
Compare groups from a "bad" gun vs a "good" gun.

If there is some evidence, then maybe I would go along with the guys that are upset.

But since these are Belly guns and most gunfights are from 4-7 feet and we practice from 15-21 feet, I am not convinced that those rough marks make a hill of beans on This gun.


Now one thing that I could understand getting upset about, that everyone drank the kool-aid on was the aluminum shaving issue a few years back.

A few years back some guys reported metal shavings inside their frame after a few hundred rounds.  Then it came to be expected, just like changing out your recoil spring.
We were told that our guns were just "settling in".
Everyone accepted it and went on.

Great factory spin!   Really, no one considered that maybe the frames had improper heat treatmemt and were glazed.  And the the glaze was shaving off over time?

Gee, my Colt aluminum frame guns never did this, nor my Springfields, Smiths, or Kimbers.  Why would my more hi-tech, more expensive Rohrbaugh do it?

Now maybe That is more wothwhile to get upset about, then a few cosmetic marks in the barrel of a belly gun.

[Reinz]

Thank you. The question is, would you buy a gun knowing that those barrel flaws are present? I would not.

The advantage of buying your next R9 in person FTF  - bring your bore light!

This can be a double edge sword for dealers selling new guns.

[tracker]

I have learned that lesson very well; the bore light goes with me to gun shows and gun shops or wherever else they are sold.

[kjtrains]

Great idea!

[yankee2500]

   I don't know if my barrel is perfect or Butt Ugly because I have never looked that closely and have no plans to.  If I were purchasing a new gun and were inspecting it before the purchase and by chance saw the barrel issues it may be a factor in the price I was willing to pay.
  Being that my pup eats anything I put in it and not a single  issue with it I am totally happy and wouldn't change a thing.
   If at some point in time it's determined the rough barrels could cause a failure or the risk of injury that would be another story.

Don't Worry Be Happy.

[tracker]

Higher standards other than failure or the risk of injury should apply to this gun. If a compromise of quality is acceptable in the case of barrels what is next?

[coyote]

my friend with the problem barrel is here and he wishes to share his thoughts, so i'm handing the laptop over to him:


Hey All...

My buddy coyote started this thread for me and I want to thank you all for your views and advice.

Yes, the gun functions.  No, I don't want Karl/Eric to buy mine back because there really isn't anything else out there with which to replace my R9s.

The conclusion I have come to is that I am stuck with an R9s that is obviously a “second”.  I would not find this low level of quality control acceptable on a gun worth a fraction of the cost of an R9.  

I just find it totally incomprehensible and mind boggling that Karl/Eric actually do find it acceptable.  

- TJ Sparks[/i]


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[Robar233]

Coyote & TJ,

 I agree with you about the quality issue and stated so earlier. I don't think I got an answer to the question as to why not just replace or buy an new barrel. I would not want to go through the hassle of having to replace the entire gun. Won't Rohrbaugh sell  replacement like other companies do everything except the frame? My pup has been shot three times and cleaned four times. I did not recall seeing these marks before. I just peeked and she is bright and shinny all the way down.
 Maybe Rohrhaugh should change to polygonal riffling like H&K and Kahr?

[MRC]

Coyote & TJ

Did you call and send them the pictures?  If you did, I am curious as to their response.

I think to replace the barrel on a R9 it would have to go back to the factory to be fitted because of the way they are made.

I asked for a replacement and they said this was typical of their barrels and they saw no problems.  It is hard to get mad at Maria as she was just relaying messages from Eric, so I asked to speak to him and she just offered to buy it back.  I really wanted to get rid of the gun at that point so I jumped at the offer.  I hope things work out for you.