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Offline Fat Boy

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #90 on: July 20, 2009, 05:26:18 PM »
ACP,
Thanks for the advise.  I thought it to be very unusual for a gun refinisher not to be able to assemble guns and force the client to do that.

Has anyone tried to do this though?
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #91 on: July 20, 2009, 06:03:34 PM »
Robar is doing all the work, if I had to take it apart and send all the parts to them and count on getting them all returned for me to reassemble, they would not have gotten my business.  One of the sellinng points for me with the Robar finish is the lube quality it offers the ease of cleaning and the extended gun life they claim because of the reduced wear.
I like the two tone look in some guns and one tone in others, but think the Rohrbaughs look good both ways.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #92 on: July 20, 2009, 06:07:09 PM »
I once pulled an AR apart, tagged each piece with my name and address, boxed it up and sent it out for Dura Coat.  Took maybe 30 minutes to take it apart and put it back together. Dura Coat is not bad but it's just paint.  

Wilson Armor Tuff is a really good coating that will probably outlast you.  For $270 it's not that expensive considering it's a lifetime coating, and it's tough!  You'll have to remove the slide, barrel, grips, and a few other small pieces.  Tag each piece (or bag the small pieces with your name) and send it all to Wilson Combat.  

As you can tell I'm a big fan of Armor Tuff.  I have a rifle that's going to Wilson later this year.  I was going to buy a regular 'ol R9S and do what you're doing - send it out for Armor Tuff.  But when I called Tom and he said he could get a Special Forces sooner rather than later... I took the hit and bought the R9S already Armor Tuff coated.   Looking back - I could have saved $300 by following my original plan.  Either way - nice gun and nice coating.

Molybdenum disulphide has a compressive strength of over 450,000 psi.  Teflon compressive strength is only 375 psi.  I don't know Robar and I'm not certain why they say Teflon adds lubricity and extends the weapons life.  Any force in excess of 375 psi will just tear right through the Teflon.  

However I did notice their Roguard product is a molybdenum disulphide-based coating which appears to be very similar to Armor Tuff. That's the stuff.  Their NP3 is nickel and Teflon - probably not the stuff (in my opinion).  Robar looks like a good company so I don't think you can go wrong.

It'll be interesting to see how these different coatings look and perform.  I like experimentation!      

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #93 on: July 20, 2009, 07:29:18 PM »
Being that the NP3 fiinish comes with a lifetime guarantee.
(NP3 is guaranteed against corrosion, peeling or flaking for the lifetime of the firearm.) and Rohrbaugh has chosen it for one of there highend models I guess it's good enough for me, and I did not want a black finish like the Roguard.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #94 on: July 20, 2009, 08:16:16 PM »
I am really looking for an all satin black finish on every part so I may end up having to go with the Roguard finish from Robar if Wilson just simply won't do the take down for me.  I have also been looking into TiAlN but I am not certain if that is a steel only application because I want the whole gun done complete.  Here one link to this coating  http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=21842&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #95 on: July 20, 2009, 09:15:31 PM »
I don't have a resolution to convert my R9 into a one tone but I did order the holster. My goal is to make my R9 look like that gun on gunbroker (for $1795.00) with the added benefit of having carbon fiber grips.

tracker makes a good point as to why we want what is elusive. However, he was polite enough to point out that I am consistent.

I have never liked two tone guns. Do I want metal finishing for practical reasons? Sure, but looks matter to me too.

Is there ever a justification for two tone? Sure; when you have G10 grips, why would you not attempt to hide them? But, when you have carbon fiber grips, why in the world would you want a frame that absorbs their luster?
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2009, 09:18:48 PM »
All in good sport, ACP.

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #97 on: July 20, 2009, 09:20:52 PM »
Whoa...this just in: there are three (3) bids for that $1795.00 Robar R9 on gunbroker. Don't know if they are shadow bids or genuine. All I have to do is keep my fingers off that bid icon.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #98 on: July 20, 2009, 10:05:38 PM »
tracker

"all in good sport". What does that mean?
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #99 on: July 20, 2009, 10:22:42 PM »
It means "just kidding" as you have said before. We have similar dry
wits that are frequently not understood or appreciated.

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #100 on: July 20, 2009, 10:39:48 PM »
Quote
Whoa...this just in: there are three (3) bids for that $1795.00 Robar R9 on gunbroker. Don't know if they are shadow bids or genuine. All I have to do is keep my fingers off that bid icon.

If there are three bids on it,  and the starting bid was $1795
why is the current bid still $1795 and the Minimum Bid  $1,820.00 still ? I am the high bidder on the last R9s on the page at $805, I don't expect to get it for that but would take it for $805 ;D.
John



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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #101 on: July 20, 2009, 11:04:26 PM »
What's to prevent a regular R9 from receiving a Robar or Wilson finish and being resold as a factory original. For the premium these upgrades are going for I would hope for documentation or better yet an SF 005 serial number for a Special Forces R9.  

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #102 on: July 20, 2009, 11:23:49 PM »
If you look at the pics in that ad you will see the box says
R9s RR, I have no idea if there is any paperwork with the gun that also states it is a Robar - Rohrbaugh. Looks like it is also has Eric's initials on the box.
John
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #103 on: July 21, 2009, 08:06:40 AM »
tracker - I get it.

As to the Robar @ $1795.00. What is a reasonable price for this gun? My guess is that the sum would be a normal R9 + Robar finish + Hogue grips.

Wouldn't $1500 be a more reasonable price? Not to worry; I am still looking for a place to send my R9 to charm school so I can get the one tone R9 I covet and I refuse to bid on the gunbroker Robar R9.

However, it is only fair to say that the overpriced R9 on gunbroker is exactly the look I want for my own gun.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #104 on: July 21, 2009, 11:07:50 AM »
"However, it is only fair to say that the overpriced R9 on gunbroker is exactly the look I want for my own gun."

I believe $1,795.00 is the retail for this model and it has been said a number of times that the only difference is the Robar finish, this is incorrect.  If you see the gun you know right away that the gun has been loved on more by the addition of a polished trigger, grip screws, magazine, hammer, ejector and maybe more.  And I don't think it is that easy to put a price on that.  I personally believe the RR model should command more of a price increase than the Special Forces which to me only seemed to have the wilson Armor Tuff finish.  This was one of my main frustrations in selection a R9, there just doesn't seem to be enough information about what went into these top models to command the price, IMHO.  I would've loved to have known more and I may have selected the SF and now after seeing the RR I have a little regret that I hadn't seen that before my purchase.
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