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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2009, 11:13:35 PM »
 The ammo shortage has even touched LEOs.

Miami - A fugitive gunman accused of killing a Florida sheriff's deputy was shot 68 times by SWAT team officers who found him hiding in the woods, according to post-mortem results. Police fired 110 shots at Angilo Freeland, 27, the target of a massive manhunt in central Florida after the fatal shooting of Polk county sheriff's deputy Matt Williams on Thursday.

 "That's all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more," said Polk county sheriff Grady Judd to the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.

Judd said Williams was "executed" after Freeland was pulled over in a routine traffic stop on Thursday. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed. Williams, 39, was shot eight times - one bullet fired at close range behind the deputy's right ear and another in his right temple, according to post-mortem results released on Saturday by the sheriff's office.  

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2009, 08:03:22 AM »
Yankee

This is a riveting story with a sad beginning and a happy ending, by which is meant death of the bad guy. It's a lucky thing this took place in Florida rather than NJ or NY.

If so, the press in NJ or NY would have gotten a hold of it and criticized the police for brutality! This is not exageration. In NJ, if you shoot a bad guy who has entered your house, with intent to rob and/or injure you and yours, you are more than likely going to be prosecuted if forensics reveal that bad guy attempted to flee when encountered with you and your gun.

Is this not insane? A greater burden is placed upon the law abiding citizen than the bad guy who initiates the events by illegal entry into you domicile!

"Castle States" like Texas and Florida get it right.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2009, 11:16:03 AM »
Agreed, burden of proof on the homeowner? Ridiculous.
Glad I live in FL

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2009, 12:12:44 PM »
And in Tennessee:

TCA 39-11-611. Self-defense. —
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(b)  (1)  Notwithstanding § 39-17-1322, a person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and is in a place where the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat before threatening or using force against another person when and to the degree the person reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force.
      
     (2)  Notwithstanding § 39-17-1322, a person who is not engaged in unlawful activity and is in a place where the person has a right to be has no duty to retreat before threatening or using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury, if:
      
          (A)  The person has a reasonable belief that there is an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury;
      
          (B)  The danger creating the belief of imminent death or serious bodily injury is real, or honestly believed to be real at the time; and
      
          (C)  The belief of danger is founded upon reasonable grounds.
      
(c)  Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury within a residence, business, dwelling or vehicle is presumed to have held a reasonable belief of imminent death or serious bodily injury to self, family, a member of the household or a person visiting as an invited guest, when that force is used against another person, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence, business, dwelling or vehicle, and the person using defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.

TCA 39-17-1322. Defenses. —
A person shall not be charged with or convicted of a violation under this part [governing the use of weapons] if the person possessed, displayed or employed a handgun in justifiable self-defense or in justifiable defense of another during the commission of a crime in which that person or the other person defended was a victim.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2009, 02:00:36 PM »
Leave it to Richard to provide cool/factual details. Well done, as always.

When I joined the forum in 2005 I was a bitter guy stuck in NJ. When I lost my job I spent 2 years care giving to my widower father; a WWII officer. He was a handfull but he was my father. When he passed away I saw to his estate as Executor and fulfilled a lfelong dream of moving to a gun friendly state.

I am middle aged; young enough to cherish, covet and behave with gratitude toward my right to carry that I have FINALLY enjoyed in the past two years. But, those of you, (young and old), have no idea how oppressive it is living in a state that seeks to deny you of your gun rights and exalts "the rights of the criminal".
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2009, 06:36:57 PM »
ACP:

Your father was one of what has aptly been described as "The Greatest Generation." Because of the sacrifices of that generation, we today are not living under the tyranny of the Third Reich or the Empire of Japan.

I salute him.  Requiescat in pacem.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2009, 08:22:25 PM »
Thank you, Richard. I think my generation (Baby Boomer) should have a book written entitled "The Worst Generation"

Politicians scream Education and the Children(!) Really? If they are priorities (and they should be) why can't Johnny and Jill spell? Why are they taught that America is bad? Why do they "enhance" math and science grades by reducing standards?

Balzac writes in his novel "Cousin Pons", in 1847, "We have even gotten to the point of discovering social ills in order to form societies to cure them!" Literary satire in France in mid 19th century? Yes, but what country does this remind you of in the 21st century?

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2009, 09:19:18 PM »
Don't be too hard on the boomers. Not many receive
the clarion call that summoned the greatest generation.

That is a tough act to follow, especially since they answered
it so admirably.

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2009, 09:42:13 PM »
Concur, tracker. Hey, I am a Boomer. What I might have stated better is that the left leaning Baby Boomers, who dominate education and political doctrine, have got it so wrong for the reasons mentined above.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2009, 10:16:38 PM »
Now we are defining the real problem.

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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2009, 09:28:30 PM »
yankee2500, have you gotten your pup back from the groomer yet?

I am eagerly awaiting your report of how it functions.  I'm considering having both my Kimber and my R9s refinished by Robar.

Please keep us posted!   Thanks.
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2009, 04:19:34 PM »
I spoke with Robar today, they said it was ready to go into the plating and should be back in another week to two.
John
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2009, 06:33:32 PM »
Progress!
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2009, 09:39:37 PM »
Well with the pup returning in a week or two I thought I needed something else to wait for so I called Rafter S Gunleather today and ordered an OWB holster in honey elephant with dark peanut alligator trim. Turn around time is eight to twelve weeks, not bad compared to some holster makers twenty plus weeks and some even longer.
 John
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Re: Pup off to be groomed
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2009, 06:55:02 AM »
"Honey elephant"? "Dark peanut alligator"? Are you going to eat this holster or use it for your R9?

The holster I remember was Mitch Rosen. I was living in NJ at the time where holsters are moot because there is no such thing as CCW. Anyway, he makes a great holster but leadtime delivery was something like 20 weeks.
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