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Offline DanR9SF

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Special Forces - first range trip
« on: May 07, 2009, 02:02:04 PM »
Finally had a chance to visit the range and put some ammo through the new R9SF.  I bought the gun from Tom Watson a month ago and have been busy remodeling the house ever since.

Gun: R9SF, new
Ammo: Speer Gold Dot 124 grain, and Federal American Eagle 124 grain FMJ.

First up...
Ammo - Gold Dot 124 grain
First magazine: 6+1.  All 7 went boom.
Second magazine: 6+1.  All 7 went boom.
Third magazine: 6+1.  Third round FTF.  2nd pull of trigger and it went boom.  Remaining rounds went boom.
Fourth magazine: 6+1.  All 7 went boom.
Fifth magazine 6+1.  All 7 went boom.


Next up...
Ammo - American Eagle 124 grain FMJ.  
First magazine: 6+1.  All 7 went boom.
Second magazine: 6+1.  First round fail to feed - needed a nudge to get it to chamber.  All 7 went boom.
Third magazine: 6+1.  First round fail to feed - needed a nudge.  All 7 went boom.
Fourth magazine: 6+1.  First round fail to feed - needed a nudge.  All 7 went boom.

So unfortunately there was one Failure to Fire.  Luckily it fired on the 2nd pull of the trigger.  Hearing that first "click" was disheartening to say the least.   A defensive weapon needs to go bang every time.  I'll clean the gun and try another range trip soon.  I think the FMJ didn't like to feed when I first cycled the slide because the ramp was getting dirty and the FMJ might be a little longer overall.  The range sold me a box of FMJ so I went ahead and tried it just for fun.  I have yet to find any SilverTips in 9mm.

Recoil:  The R9 was reasonable and not at all uncomfortable.  I was expecting something more.  Compared to the Kel Tec P-3AT (.380) it was a little more but not at all uncomfortable (to me).   Recoil was about the same as 44 special ammo in a S&W model 329 (29 oz. scandium lightweight big bore revolver). I would call it moderate recoil.  I found the R9 would move a little in my hand, and I'd adjust my grip after almost every shot.  It was a slight movement, and the hand adjustment on the grip took only a fraction of a second.  More like squeezing the grip a little tighter after each round.  

The sights were almost useless on the R9 because the indoor range was kind of dark and the target was black.  Distance was about 10 feet and about half the time I had a difficult time hitting the target but this was my first experience with an R9.

So - with the one fail to fire I need to continue testing this gun. Luckily it fired on the second pull of the trigger.  I'm not comfortable carrying an unreliable gun so I'm not sure what to do.  Clean it, fire it some more, and see what happens.  I'll change the recoil spring at 100 rounds.  And I'll try to find Silvertips.  My Kel Tec was unreliable until it visited the manufacturer twice.  Now it's 100% reliable.  

If the R9 has another fail to fire it'll go back to the manufacturer.  They can make it right.  Firing pin length is critical, and I understand manufacturing tolerances and how tolerances can stack up and cause issues.  All in all it was an interesting experience.  The R9 is small, well-made, has a very smooth trigger and feels good in the hand.  The grip is small but no smaller than the Kel Tec P-3AT.  Recoil is moderate compared to other guns I've fired.

If the R9 fails to fire again I'll give Rohrbaugh a chance to make it right.  My Wilson SDS 45 auto is still 100% reliable after over 2000 rounds, and it's one I've come to trust.  I like the size and ballistics of the R9 so I'm hoping it can be made right.

Here's the primer on the FTF.  Not sure how this can happen - I'm a revolver guy and I've never seen a primer look like this after it's been hit by a firing pin.  Yes - that's two photos of the SAME primer.  




« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 06:19:38 PM by DaninVA »
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Offline kjtrains

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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 03:24:55 PM »
Dan!  Sorry you're having that trouble.  Maybe some knowledgable folks here on the Forum can help.  Can't explain the primer problem.  However, it can be resolved.  You're right, Rohrbaugh will fix it, if that's what it takes.
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 03:32:57 PM »
Brand new guns do that.  I own 9 pistols, and all but two had no FTF's during the first 200 rounds.  Give it another 50 or so rounds and you should be fine.  I certainly wouldn't send a gun back for 2 FTF's within 50 to 100 rounds of each other on a new gun.  Now if you have one w/ every mag load, that's a different story.

Hope this is just a one time deal though, congrats on your gun.  I'll be purchasing another R9 from Tom soon myself.

How about some shots of the R9?  ;)
Is that a 9mm in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Offline DanR9SF

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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 03:53:32 PM »
I'll give it some time.  Didn't know some guns do this in the beginning.  Until today I'd never experienced a FTF when pulling the trigger on any of my guns.  Couple hundred rounds of break-in is easy and fun.  Hopefully you're right!



« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 04:07:59 PM by DaninVA »
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »
Awesome, the R9 looks soooo good in all black.

Good choice (wanna trade?  ;D)
Is that a 9mm in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 06:14:49 PM »
Here's the holster I'm using - Mitch Rosen Pocket Softie.  On the side facing away from your body: neoprene covered with suede. That's a thin layer of neoprene and suede on top of the leather holster.  On the side facing your leg - plain leather, well-tooled.

http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/holsters/pocket_holsters/body_pocket_holsters.html 





« Last Edit: May 07, 2009, 09:00:17 PM by DaninVA »
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 06:55:01 PM »
Nice holster; I didn't know it was the same one until I looked on his
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 08:01:28 PM »
DaninVA.,  If I haven't already welcomed you to the Forum, Welcome.  It's hard to tell from the picture, But it almost looks like a little piece of brass over the firing pin strike. Maybe a piece got into the firing pin hole?  When cycling slid for first shot make sure you slingshot it home.  Good Luck on your next range trip.  I'm sure you will work out any bugs.  Dan
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 08:28:36 PM »
DaninVA,

I respect your concern as to FTF as I have experienced that as well. You need to acquire confidence with the gun you carry.

Workmanship and size efficiency, for me, beggar carrying the R9 although I have never fired hundreds of rounds through one (as others have who are members of this forum).

You will note postings on this forum as to the "R45" which many of us have wanted for a long time. 9MM is not my favorite cartridge but you have to love it in so small a package as the R9.

Also:
1. The 147 grain bullet has performed best in the four (4) R9s I have owned.

2. Shoot little and carry much, (after you acquire confidence level), as suggested by the manufacturer

You have the best of the best and I would accept nothing less than 100%. Good luck.
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Offline DanR9SF

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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 08:48:26 PM »
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9MM is not my favorite cartridge but you have to love it in so small a package as the R9.


That's why I now own an R9.  The 9mm is a real step-up from the 380, and the R9 is still a small pocket gun.  I'll strip the gun and check the firing pin and hole, clean it up and take it to the range again.  

The 45 is an excellent round and my SDS is on my hip whenever I can get away with the bulk.  But a small pocket gun is very convenient, and the 9mm is what initially got me thinking about the R9.  I've been carrying a P-3AT but am not thrilled with the ballistics.  I also sometimes go with a 340PD in a Pocket Softie holster, and that's not bad, but it's only 5 shots and IMO the size of the gun is right at the limit for pocket carry.  

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome!  I'll report back when I've shot another couple of boxes through the R9.  
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 09:42:21 PM »
Check your grip screws, make sure they're tight.

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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 09:46:54 PM »
Good advice about grip screws.
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 10:02:48 PM »
There you have it.  Some good advice.  Gun and holster look really good!!   :D    :D
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 09:43:29 AM »
DaninVA:

In looking at the photographs of that primer, I'm thinking that a sliver of break-in "dreck" may have temporarily and partially blocked the firing pin. Here's hoping that a good clean and lube job will resolve the issue once and for all.
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Re: Special Forces - first range trip
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 01:06:06 PM »
DaninVA
There you go - science in action!
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