Rohrbaugh Rejects Remington UMC

[JHawk]

Interesting day shooting my new pup - # 28xx.  Today was my second time out but let me start with my session a few days ago. Session one had  65 rounds run through the Rohrbaugh.  I ran through a few mags of Winchester white box and then tried the following - Federal Personal Defense low recoil 105 grain, Hornady TAP 124 grain, and Federal Personal Defense 147 grain.  Only one issue and that was a failure to load on the second round with the Hornady.  The round jammed in such that the slide went just about all the way forward but not quite.  The first round had ejected and with one in the pipe and the small gun it made for interesting tap, try to rack etc.  Finally got it to move enough that I could rack the slide back. Pretty good outing....... Did a takedown and a clean using CLP and Gun Butter for lube.

On to today.  I received my order from Midway USA on Speer Gold Dot 124 gr HP that I saw recommend here.  I ran a box of 20 of the Speer  through without a hitch and then 12 of the Federal Low Recoil which also  worked.  Then 6 more of the Hornady TAP and 6 of the Federal 147 grain.  Great I am thinking - all the carry ammo is working like a charm.  I then switched to Remington UMC (115 gr ) which I use at times with my Kahr P9 and Sig 228 for range ammo.  Well, it was one issue after another with the Remington.  FTE's that stovepiped and a real dilema when after my last shot on one mag the case ejected and the slide came all the way forward but I could not get it to move at all.  I had dropped the mag when this happened and had counted out my shots so I was 100% there was no round in the pipe.  After trying to rack the slide and pulling the trigger a few time down range it came loose and was good to go. Really strange.  Anyway 6 total failures out of the 30 Remington rounds down range.  I sat down made some notes and then went back loaded up two mags with the Speer 124 gr Gold Dot HP and they ran through without a hitch. So I ended on a high note with the last 12 but the issue with the Remington puzzles me.  My plan is to do the following - clean the pup and look for any indications of an issue, call Rohrbaugh for their thoughts tomorrow and go back to the range with some Winchester white box and another house brand.  In the past I have always had issues at times with my 1911's with a particular brand of HP carry ammo but never with range ammo. After I get done with the shakedown period I will not run so many rounds through it at the range and will most likely only shoot a mag or two of Speer GD HP.   Any thoughts or coaching is appreciated.  

[tracker]

I quit using UMC a long time ago after a very short try.

[BytorJr]

When I was visiting a friend who owns an R9, we had problems with Remington Green Box.  In fact, I've read that a lot of folks with the HK P30 have had problems with it too as it's too weak to properly cycle anything with a stiff recoil spring.

[fultoncoshooter]

Ive had no problem with UMC ammo in the R9 200 rounds so far i bought my UMC about a year and a half ago though so maybe they changed the "mix" thanks for the heads up

[riffraff]

Hello All,

I will try to make this brief.

I have heard that the Remington Golden Sabre ammo is pretty good.

If you have any other ammunition choices than ANY Remington ammo then get it, DO NOT BUY Remington ammo unless you have to.

I grew up and live about 40 miles from the Remington ammunition plant and I take no pleasure in saying this but  Remington ammo is CRAP.  Winchester and Federal  and just about anything else you can buy is better.  Personally I highly recomend Sellier and Bellot.  Top notch ammo at good prices.  I am not saying that the S&B may be the best for our R9's though.

Mike

[tracker]

I agree with you on the remington, Mike, and I ,too, like the
S&B. Some one told me that the primers are hard but I don't
know that for certain.

[BytorJr]

That same friend of mine (and I) shot some S&B after the Remington...no problems.

S&B has hard primers so don't be surprised if there's a light strike here or there.

[JHawk]

Well, I am certainly giving up on Remington for range ammo.  Whats interesting here is that with my 1911's - Baer/Nighthawk- I could run through any range ammo but they are picky as to the hollowpoints.  Looks like my pup has a liking for any hollowpoints but wants to eat better range ammo.  No big deal now that I am aware of it.
 
I changed out my recoil spring at 170 rounds and completed my second cleaning.  Noticed some pitting/uneven wear on the top slide areas of the frame directly above where the barrel pin is inserted.....Will head out to run through some Winchester and Speer ball and then a few more mags of Gold Dot HP to see if I can go 100% on what it will shoot.  Will keep you posted.

[theirishguard]

I have not found the ammo from Remington good in anything including rifles and shotguns.  Tom

[dawkind]

The only ammo my pup has choked on was that Remington 115gr ball......most needed to be struck at least twice to fire.  

No problems with WWB, Gold-Dot, Winchester 147gr. LEO bonded HP, etc.....

[BytorJr]

Funny how things change.  About 25 years ago when I did a LOT of duck hunting, Federal was looked upon as the worst shotgun ammo.  Winchester was considered the best when they brought out the Double X shells.   Remington was at that time, mid-range.  Once ATK bought Federal, things really changed!

[riffraff]

To All members,

Yes, it is the way of things.  The only certainty in life is that there will be changes.

My opinions on Remington ammo are based not only on the use of the loaded ammo but with lots of experience with Remington components.  Brass in particular.  If I am in Wal Mart looking for a box of ammo for whatever reason I will choose Winchester or Federal over Remington.  Keep in mind that you might have to look REAL close at the box of whatever it is to determine the manufacturer.  Remington makes other ammo that does not say Remington on the box besides the UMC.
Winchester and Federal also have similar marketing tactics.

Mike

[BytorJr]

Riffraff,

Certainly I am in agreement here, or so I think.  You must have lived near Lonoke, AR at some point in time.  

I like you, will go for WWB or something before Remington nowdays.  Sad to see such a part of Americana become tainted.   It's not that I won't buy RGB, but it's not my first choice.  But if I know it's only for practice, heck it's not a bad choice.  In fact, if it teaches one to clear malfunctions it may actually be better practice...food for thought.  

[RickP]

Riffraff,

Certainly I am in agreement here, or so I think.  You must have lived near Lonoke, AR at some point in time.  

I like you, will go for WWB or something before Remington nowdays.  Sad to see such a part of Americana become tainted.   It's not that I won't buy RGB, but it's not my first choice.  But if I know it's only for practice, heck it's not a bad choice.  In fact, if it teaches one to clear malfunctions it may actually be better practice...food for thought.  

I've been thinking the same thing. Having random rounds that don't fire really shows up bad habits like flinching, milking etc., and practicing clearing jambs is an added bonus.

Rick

[Richard S]

It would appear that, in this company, I am a "lonely voice in the wilderness" touting the virtues of Remington Golden Saber BJHB ammunition. (I have never used the UMC and do not intend even to try it.) All I can say is that my "pup," as well as my P7, seem to thrive on a Golden Saber diet. I am, however, no "missionary" on this subject. I think new owners of the R9 should experiment by running various types of quality standard-pressure ammunition through their "pocet rockets" and then decide which brand works best for them. The operative word there is "quality." I would stay away from most of the so-called bargain brands --other than WWB, of course, which has proven to be a reliable FMJ ball load for the R9.  

Further, deponent sayeth not.  


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