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sgtdraino · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2006, 03:56:05 AM »

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He diassembled the magazine, paying attention to the orientation of the mag spring. reassembled, took the other mag apart, and the spring was inverted.
Now he doesn't know what the proper orientation of the magazine spring is.
Could this be a problem with some of the malfunctions we see?

I just took both of my magazines apart, in an attempt to run down my own FTF problems. Both of my magazines are straight from the factory, and have never been disassembled. To my surprise, one had a spring oriented like in R9SCarry's picture, the other had the magazine "rolled over" 180 degrees so the ends angle in the opposite directions!

I don't think my problems were limited to a single mag, especially since they didn't occur prior to my cleaning, but it's worth a shot. R9SCarry, are you sure your picture shows the proper spring orientation?

Of course, assuming your gun works, I reckon it must be proper!

TW · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2006, 04:50:05 AM »

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...the other had the magazine "rolled over" 180 degrees so the ends angle in the opposite directions!quote]

>>I don't understand what you are trying to describe here - ??...TW<<

sgtdraino · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2006, 06:10:54 AM »

Well, let's say the magazine in R9SCarry's picture looks kind of like a series of capital "M"s linked together. If I were to lay out the parts of my two magazines in the same manner, oriented in the same way, one of my springs came out looking like the picture, a series of capital "M"s. The other magazine spring came out inverted, looking like a series of "W"s linked together.

Make sense now?

And that was how they came from the factory.

R9SCarry · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:29:46 PM »

sgt - yes ''M'' or "W" - that works.

My pic is all "M".

I am pretty darned sure this is correct and the thing that makes me confirm that - purely out of what I see as logic - is the way the spring sits inside follower.

Think about it - that top spring section must be better situated if it matches the angle of the follower inside! Turn it 180º and reassemble and the pressure inside follower is potentially a point contact at the rear - producing a slight tipping action force.

Thus to me right now this makes sense - but I can see the definite possibility of mag's reaching the R factory that have been put together the less ideal way. I will try and do a small diagram later to make my point re the forces inside the follower.

R9SCarry · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:39:05 PM »

OK - here's a diag' - my contention here is that the left side makes sense - the spring force is exerted pretty much normal to long axis of mag shell. That is what I take to be the correct orientation.

The right shows the resultant of the force by the spring - when the tip of top coil exerts pressure to rear of follower - thus if any drag factors between follower and mag shell this will only be increased. The floor-plate aspect is relatively immaterial IMO.

Seem logical? I am as ever, more than happy to be shot down!!

Ubik380 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2006, 04:17:57 PM »

I know that the Seecamp's mag spring is supposed to be oriented like the drawing on the right, to assist (I think) in keeping the base of the cartridges pushed up.

R9SCarry · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2006, 04:36:27 PM »

Interesting Ubik - tho I still feel that freedom of follower is important. The R9 follower is a pretty snug fit, so wouldn't think there'd be much change in that on cartridge base.

Anyone else? As I said - my logic may be flawed yet! I may have to do a detailed check on this, just to be sure - no way do I want to misinform.

TW · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2006, 10:55:19 PM »

>>Ahhhhh, yes - got it. Thanks, guys. I've got seven R9 mags, and will have to have a look at them soon, just because...TW<<

R9SCarry · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2006, 11:09:38 PM »

Let us know TW - what the spring orientations are in each - be a good sample.

Brenden · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2006, 12:07:57 AM »

I will attempt to do the same this weekend..

I guess I can look at close to 15 mags!!

The ones I have ran,have been no problem..

If I have the time-will report..

Brenden

R9SCarry · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2006, 12:47:22 AM »

Great Brenden - sure would like a largish sample.

harrydog · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2006, 11:16:28 AM »

I just checked my two mags and both of the springs were positioned like the example on the left, which I also think seems the most logical.
My gun and both mags have just come back from the factory where they were thoroughly gone over by Karl. For that reason I would have to assume that the example on the left shows the proper spring orientation.

R9SCarry · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2006, 03:58:48 PM »

Thx Harry - now waiting to see what the others find when checking theirs.

Brenden · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2006, 09:37:57 PM »

I checked 13 different mags while sitting at the puter-multi-tasking as they say!!

All were orientated as to the pic on the left in Chris's post..

Now-I found 3 of them,have not used them as yet,that were a bugger to get off the baseplates..

I mean I had to issue more force than I really cared to..

I do not think that this would make a difference in feeding the pup,but I have set them aside for future "trials"

BTW,mags were from "pre"R to Deer Park time frames..

The ones that were difficult on the base plate,were all from late 04..

Brenden

jarcher · « **Reply #29 on:** February 14, 2006, 03:11:12 AM »

Geting back to the failures, may I suggest an experiment? Load up a magazine and let it sit fully loaded for a while, compressing the spring. See it that helps any.

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