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Offline bobvvp

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Remington Golden Saber
« on: November 01, 2005, 02:22:00 PM »
Just received my R9s and am very impressed.  Thanks to all the folks who have shared their experience and suggestions in forum as I had the advantage of reading them before my first trip to the range and subsequent cleaning experience.  This is my first attempt at a forum so I apologize if I am not using it correctly and would welcome suggestions and directions.

I cleaned the bore of the R9s and then tried the various ammunitions that folks had discussed.  Speer, Hornady, Federal and Blazer all seemed to work just fine.  I tried about 10 to 15 rounds of each.  When I then loaded the Remington Golden Saber 124 grain Brass Jacketed Hollow Pt., GS9MMB, the hammer would strike, but the rounds would not fire.  I examined the primer and found a very slight indentation off to the side.  I then tried a few rounds of the other ammos again and they worked fine.  I did not examine the primers on the successfully fired ammo.  I have since disassembled the gun and cleaned it.  Any thoughts before I hit the range again?  I know some forum discussion has stated a preference for Golden Saber and I am curious what might be the cause for my experience.  Thanks

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2005, 05:20:38 PM »
Welcome Bob - see you just signed up :)

If you haven;t already done so - take a browse thru my FAQ site - plus button links to tests stuff.  I have gone thru most types of ammo we discuss - tho yet a few sundry ones to try one day.

Assuming Rem uses Rem primers then I reckon a hardness factor could apply.  Fed primers have always been my choice for reloading as they are the softest - CCI's by contrast were always the hardest.  I would not expect the pup's pin strike to be particularly weak at all - but if a primer is harder and maybe even seated a thou or two deeper - could be a prob - of course one good thing with a DAO gun - just pull trigger again and usually that would fire the round.

Primer indents after firing give little useful info really, other than for over-pressure signs.  At moment of ignition and powder burn - the firing pin is still intertially ''present'' for an instant - so as case begins to try to move to rear against bolt face - it slams the primer against the pin, reseating it too because primer wants to come out under high pressure stage - thus often increasing the perceived indent.

Only way to really check out pin energy and strike deformation on a primer is to load a case with just a primer - if resized so it'll chamber then fire it - upset back onto pin will be small and actual indent will give some idea of impact energy.

I don't recall any Golden Saber misfires in my tests.
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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2005, 06:09:15 PM »
Thanks for your thoughts on this.  I had a chance to look thru more forum messages and did notice some folks had failures to fire with these.  How do I get to the suggested area with your tests?  I don't have my reloading equipment set up so I can't run the primer only test you suggested.  Actually, when this first happened, I did try pulling the trigger repeatedly and the Golden Sabers just wouldn't fire.  Every firearm seems to function best with certain ammo and things seemed to work particularly well with the Speer Gold Dots and Federals.  Since I have put 50-60 rounds thru it and cleaned and lubed, it will be interesting to see if the Golden Saber will work as the first ammo next time at the range.  I will end up sticking with the better functioning rounds, but find the Golden Saber experience interesting.

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2005, 06:25:49 PM »
Hmmm - no good even after second and further strikes eh - bad - can't remember that degree of trouble for anyone before but anywasy - one poor firing of a brand will turn me off it.

The FAQ link is in my sig line Bob ... follow that and the buttons on left will take you to test stuff - -plus i did some chrono data figures too - link for that too.

Let me know if any prob accessing that. I have a few other odd items to add sometime but hopefully you'll find odd scraps of interest.
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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2005, 06:40:12 PM »
OK.  Found your FAQ site.  Great info.  I agree with you on the reliability issue.  In the carry situation I will stick with what works.  At the range my curiosity may get the better of me.  Just acquired some RBCD I am anxious to try.  I'll save the Gold Sabers for my Glock.  It will shoot anything.

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2005, 09:45:42 PM »
bobvvp,
I've had trouble with Remington UMC yellow box practice ammo in my R9S.
Exactly same as you described:  Shiny spot on primer but no indentation.  Both the rounds that failed to fire did go "bang" on the second time thru.  I guess Remington uses the same primers for all their handgun applications.
My conclusion was also same as yours, hard primers.
Even the rounds that fired the first time looked like light primer strikes.  Primers of Speer GDHPs fired at the same session looked normal.  
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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2005, 11:19:17 PM »
Welcome Bob,  I'm fairly new here myself. This is a great site with many very nice people. I've also had trouble with light primer strikes in my R-9s. The last failure to fires I've had were with Remington/UMC 115 grain FMJ. The Speer 115 grain and CCI Blazer ammo seems to work well for me.

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2005, 12:52:11 PM »
Thanks for the additional feedback on ammo performance.  Makes me wonder if there are some specs for the firing pin and assembly that could be checked locally.

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2005, 08:35:32 PM »
bobvvp,
Welcome...

We shall get this sorted out!!

I have not tried the Rem GS..

WWB,Win.STHP,GD HP 115s all seem OK with mine.. :)

I will buy a box and see if they "ignite"..

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2005, 08:43:34 AM »
Remington GS is the only round that does not always go off in my Rs.  It must be the harder primer.  

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2005, 11:21:40 AM »
bobvvp, try Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP
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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2005, 07:21:55 PM »
Thanks for all the additional feedback.  Brenden, I will be curious to hear about your experiment.  Our common experiences do seem to indicate the Remington primers are suspect here.  As to the suggestion I try the Speer Gold Dot 124, those were the first rounds I fired in the R9s and it functioned flawlessly with them.  I tried them right after the Remingtion ammo (ie within a matter of minutes without cleaning the firearm) and again the R9 functioned fine.  Guess there is a reason it is one of the recommended ammos.

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2005, 09:49:47 AM »
bobvvp:

I've just returned to home base from a week of travel and haven't had a chance to welcome you to the Forum.  I do so now.

I'm one of those who has been using the 147-grain Remington Golden Sabers in my R9.  Although I haven't experienced any FTFs with the round, your report has certainly caught my attention.  Please let us know what happens on your next range trip with the GS.  (It may be time for me to break out the 124-grain Gold Dots which I have stored in the back of my gun safe.)  
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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2005, 03:14:45 PM »
Richard,

Thanks for your words of welcome and experience with Golden Saber.  I will let you know the results if I try them again.

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Re: Remington Golden Saber
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2005, 08:02:49 PM »
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Thanks for all the additional feedback.  Brenden, I will be curious to hear about your experiment.  Our common experiences do seem to indicate the Remington primers are suspect here.  As to the suggestion I try the Speer Gold Dot 124, those were the first rounds I fired in the R9s and it functioned flawlessly with them.  I tried them right after the Remingtion ammo (ie within a matter of minutes without cleaning the firearm) and again the R9 functioned fine.  Guess there is a reason it is one of the recommended ammos.

Tried to find some of these..
No luck at 2 places.. :(
Will try this weekend-I am very curious!!

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