A couple of questions concerning failures

[Incursion]

Ok, I took it to the range today and shot 43 rounds through it with 2 failures to feed on the next to last round of the same mag.  

I would have shot a lot more, but when I broke it down after the first 43 rounds, I noticed that the barrel is shearing at the lockup point and the slide's metal is very rough as well where it locks up with the barrel.  I'll take pics and post later.

[Incursion]

The YABBC tags don't seem to work with my site.

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[R9SCarry]

Incursion,

First question .. type of ammo?  Or types used if more than one?  Standard pressure?  Also - can you take a measurement across mag feed lips at narrowest point - and post the dimension?

I have saved your pics and cropped and compressed to get em to easier size (they are too huge!) ... and here are the three that I consider most useful.  Hope it helps .. then we can all take a peek more easily.

[Incursion]

115 gr. Speer Gold Dot.  I don't have a caliper, but will try to get a measurement.  I'm not sure if the roughness in the metal on the slide/barrel was from the last range trip or not, but the slight chip on the barrel definitely wasn't there last time.  It's hard to see the chip from the picture, but the metal shaving is still hanging onto the barrel.

How much wear do you guys have in those areas?  I don't remember my first gun having wear to that degree.  It seems like it could possibly be normal because it's not super rough.

[DDGator]

Maybe that is from running it without enough lube?

[TW]

>>Hi Incursion...  It looks like progress is being made to understand the issues with you and the R9...!...that is the good news!!!  However...if in fact you have been shooting the gun as shown in these pics - I echo Gator in suggesting this R9 is waaay under lubbed...seemingly at every critical point.  If this is true it is no wonder you are beginning to see metal shavings.  

Have you been able to meet up with fellow forum guy, Jax...?  If so, what became of it?  If not, I would further suggest you hold off shooting the R9 until such a time when you can meet Jax to review gun condition and shooting style.  Perhaps after that you will be able to report back with a smile on your face...TW<<    

[Incursion]

I didn't degrease it and run it bone dry.  FP-10 is a high quality lube.  The metal shouldn't be worn that much.

[shelb]

That wear is consistent with what I observed before my pin sheared, and I was lubbing it generously after ever 50-80 rounds.  Could be perhaps, that something else is out of spec, causing your initial pin failure?

I would suggest calling Rohrbaugh before using it any further.

[Incursion]

This is a completely different gun.

[TW]

>>Incursion, I've said this before...as have others, but I will say it one last time here...  It is important to use the lubes suggested and as used by the factory for the R9.  Eric provided very clear and specific instructions about this - which between Gator and I have been posted twice now in recent history.  If you deviate from the factory instructions, you can expect to have problems with your gun.  

FP10 may be a wonderful lubricant, but it is not the lube which the R9 was built around.  There may or may not be all kinds of other problems with the gun shown in the pics, however...clearly one of those problems is an R9 which is improperly lubed, as indicated by the wear on the gun.  If you keep shooting the R9 as shown, you will likely destroy the gun - and probably sooner than later.  That will be a sad day...TW<<

[Incursion]

Eric said to meet up with Jax and try it with the new mags.

I want to smooth out the wear somehow.  

TW, I couldn't get through a single mag without a malfunction lubing it with their instructions.  I shot it straight from the factory which was lubed exactly like the pics, and the gun jammed on almost every round for 6-7 mags straight.

[FJC]

While I can understand the difference between the use of a grease or an oil, and I can understand having to make sure enough of it is in the right places,  I'm going to toss out the statement that I think it is ridiculous if this pistol requires the use of one particular lubricant, especially when it's not a lubricant that's readily available.

I use two lubricants for my handguns - FP-10 oil and TW-25B grease.  From what I've read, the R9 likes grease, and a lot of it.  Is everyone on this board that owns an R9 using Superlube?  Anyone use TW-25B or other quality greases?

[RJ HEDLEY]

The thing that puzzles me is, the worst of the problems are here with this Gun, [or is it guns now?] ,  and one user.  

Is this just bad luck ?  

[shelb]

I think its a rediculous assertation that if you not using superlube your gun will not operate as designed.  Browse back through this forum and you'll find many people using other kinds of quality (keep in mind quality) lube successfully before this became a hot topic.  Compare the viscosity and chemical/mechanical properties of several of high tech lubes discussed here...they're not that different.

Perhaps I am an optimist, but I think Incursion seems to be catching a lot of flack from people suggesting that he is incompetant rather than unlucky.  IMO, his patience and tireless testing is doing everyone a great service in fixing and tuning potential problems R9 owners may encounter.  I shudder to think of someone purchasing an R9, firing a couple magazines through it then placing it away in their pocket, potentially their life depending on it when a FTE/FTF may lie waiting undiscovered.  Granted this unlucky soul may have a 1 out of 100 or even 1 out of 1000 defect, but this is still a high rate of incidence in manufacturing.  There are several others here who have encountered FTF's with their R9, and they have patiently worked with the Rohrbaugh's to resolve them because they believe in the product and the company, so let's give Incursion the benefit of the doubt.

[DDGator]

Isn't FP-10 an oil and not a grease?

I, for one, am not suggesting that you MUST use Superlube, although I plan to do so now...  However, I am suggesting that there is a difference between a grease and an oil.

If you don't want to use Superlube, I would at least suggest another high quality grease -- like RIG or something similar.  The problem with the oil is that it doesn't tend to stay put, particularly when firing lots and lots of rounds.

I also don't think Incursion is being treated too badly.    Some may think its a problem related to him -- I agree with you on that.  The fact is that -- unless you think Eric is lying -- the gun worked great at the factory, but doesn't work for him.  I don't know what that means -- something is different.  Could be the mags, could be the ammo, could be his shooting style, could be the Earth's magnetic field in his area of the world (no...not really).

I thought that meeting with another member and swapping guns would isolate the problem -- now that there could be damage to his gun, its harder to say -- but should still be very enlightening.

One thing I wasn't clear on -- I didn't realize that this is a new gun from the factory.  This makes the second gun Incursion had with the same problems?  If so -- it seems even more likely that some external factor is involved.