A couple of questions concerning failures

[Incursion]

I got 459.  The trigger seems to be better than my last one.

[R9SCarry]

Hoping to call in to see my FFL today and pick up my #2 R9 ... Eric called yesterday with the good news that it was en route ...... I think this is R300.  This order goes back to May sorta time I think.

[RJ HEDLEY]

I have # R-600, and have had it for a number of weeks.

This is just to point out to all.  
The Serial Numbers don't mean a thing,  but I wish it did.   There is no sequence you can follow,  but I think the Rohrbaugh records books will show a sequence in the shipping date.  

[Incursion]

Ok, I just got back from the range.  I couldn't get through the first 6 or 7 mags without a single malfunction, so I decided to break the gun down and wipe off the factory lube.  Then I shot another 300 or so rounds with 11 malfunctions.  It malfunctioned with Gold Dot 115 gr. and 115 gr. Blazer 9mm.  A 3.67% failiure rate is still too high for me.  I'll report back when I shoot it again.

[DDGator]

You shot in the neighborhood of 350 rounds through an R-9 in a single outing?  You are a better man than I.

How many of the failures were with Gold Dots -- and how late in the day?

Also -- how many rounds on the springs in the gun?

[Incursion]

I didn't have that many with the Blazer.  About 8-9 were with the Gold Dots.  I cleaned the gun twice at the range.  My hand is killing me.

[Incursion]

Under 500 on the spring assuming it's the same spring that I sent with the original gun.  

The exact number of rounds that I shot was 319.

[TCat]

Ok, I just got back from the range.  I couldn't get through the first 6 or 7 mags without a single malfunction, so I decided to break the gun down and wipe off the factory lube.  Then I shot another 300 or so rounds with 11 malfunctions.  It malfunctioned with Gold Dot 115 gr. and 115 gr. Blazer 9mm.  A 3.67% failiure rate is still too high for me.  I'll report back when I shoot it again.

What's the prevailing wisdom on the cause of Incursion's malfunctions?  Does the gun just need a very large break-in period?  (Their website doesn't seem to have the manual on-line, so I can't answer that myself.)  Or are Gold Dot and
Blazers not appropriate for the gun despite Eric's recommendation?  Or could Incursion have received a second gun that had problems?  The pup need cleaning every 20 rounds or so?  

Incursion, do they happen randomly or at the tail end, for example, of a magazine?

[DDGator]

I don't think there is enough info here to assess...

No extraordinary breakin is required.  My gun was 100% from Round 1 to where I am now... about 200.

The gun was test fired at the factory before being delivered to him the first time and upon return the second time -- so its hard to figure unless it is something about the ammo or his shooting style.

[R9SCarry]

Just had the chance yesterday to put some ammo thru my #2 R9 ... only had some Igman FMJ on hand but .. fired off a few mags just to check it out .. 100% OK - good as gold.  I will check some GD's as well just to be sure but am already happy to initiate its carry duty.

Incursion's case?  Both disappointed for him but mystified also .. thus far.

[9mil.mouse]

"You shot in the neighborhood of 350 rounds through an R-9 in a single outing?  You are a better man than I."

Oh Man!  Yikes.  Makes my trigger finger hurt just to think about it.      Now that I consider my Rohrbaugh to be completely reliable, as it has been from the start, I usually start off with a mag or two of Rohrbaugh shooting just for
kicks, and then go to something that is heavier in weight and less demanding on the shooter.  If the failures had happened in the later stages of shooting this many rounds, I would have suspected fatigue as a factor, but since it didn't I'm stumped.

[DDGator]

It woudl be irresponsible of me not to add that, based upon my discussions with Eric and Karl at the factory, running these guns dry is a real source of problems.  I definitely do not recommend running them without lube!

[TCat]

It woudl be irresponsible of me not to add that, based upon my discussions with Eric and Karl at the factory, running these guns dry is a real source of problems.  I definitely do not recommend running them without lube!

How does this affect reliability after being carried inside (e.g. pocket holster or even w/o holster) for several days?  Are the tolerances tight enough that ambient fluff and dust don't get in?

[R9SCarry]

TCat - my experience only - ingress of lint etc is quite a minimal problem ... but have noticed the most obvious place for ''collection'' is the very small gap around hammer.

I lube very sparingly but - I shall now, having #2 for much more frequent carry, probably carry out a weekly maintainance clean even if not shot.  This is probably more than required but seems to me a sensible idea.

[Incursion]

I don't see how they use the lube from the factory.  I couldn't get through a single mag with that stuff.  It seemed way too thick.  The failures were pretty spread out, so I don't think it had to do with fatigue.  I don't think it had to do with cleanliness either because one of them happened right after I broke it down and wiped it clean.

One of the reasons that I didn't break it down more frequently is that I didn't have the proper tool to do it.  It took me ~10-15 min just to take the gun apart each time.  I was hammering a wooden q-tip with the back of my cleaning rod to push the pin out--obviously not the most efficient way of breaking the gun down.  

I got different types of failures throughout the day.  Sometimes it wouldn't pick up the next round in the mag; sometimes I got a double feed; and sometimes I got a stovepipe.  

I plan to shoot it again this weekend and will report back after the session.