Nra-Life-Member, Welcome to the forum. I get to do alot of test firing. Every gun that leaves the factory get 5 shots. We shoot into a big steel box full of chunks of rubber. The front of the box has a thick rubber sheet that holds everything in. I always put a piece of cardboard on so I can see my groups. Distance is maybe 5 ft. For me 5 shots with an R-9 can be covered with a half dollar, 5 shots with the 380 can be covered with a quarter. That being said I love my R-9 and that is what I carry. My wife will soon be the proud owner of a k380. So much softer to shoot. Dan