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« on: May 09, 2007, 11:27:36 PM »
Appellate Judges Let Gun Ruling Stand
Fenty 'Deeply Disappointed'; District Might Defend Ban Before the Supreme Court

By Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 9, 2007; B01

A federal appeals court in Washington yesterday let stand a ruling that struck down a restrictive D.C. ban on gun ownership, setting the stage for a potentially major constitutional battle over the Second Amendment in the Supreme Court.

D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty said at a news conference that he was "deeply disappointed" by the court's decision not to reconsider the city's arguments that the three-decades-old gun ban was constitutional. Fenty (D) said the city will now mull over whether to take the risk of pressing to defend the D.C. gun law before the Supreme Court or to rewrite gun regulations for keeping guns in private District homes.

"As mayor, I remain committed to combating gun violence, and . . . this is a critical part of the District's crime-control strategy," he said. "The predominant factor in our consideration [of how to proceed] will be the safety of District residents."

Fenty and other officials had asked the full appeals court to review a ruling issued by a three-judge panel that struck down a part of the D.C. law that bars people from keeping handguns in homes. With its 6 to 4 vote to reject a hearing by the full court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit sped up the timetable for a showdown. Experts said that timetable favors gun rights advocates and the D.C. residents who first challenged the law.

"Clearly it would have been better for us to have another chance to argue before the full court," said D.C. Attorney General Linda Singer. "It goes much faster now."

If the city petitions for a hearing before the Supreme Court -- and it must make that decision within 90 days -- legal experts say the high court probably will agree to take the case within a year.

A central question the D.C. case poses is whether the Second Amendment protects an individual's rights to bear arms. In its 2 to 1 ruling in March, the appellate panel ruled that it does.

The Bush administration is on record supporting the argument that the Second Amendment protects individual rights, and it would be able to argue that view if the case is heard soon. If the full appeals court had heard the case, a new administration might have taken a different stance by the time it reached the Supreme Court.

"That's very important to have the government on our side," said Robert A. Levy, a libertarian lawyer who spearheaded the challenge to the law. "And that could change with a new administration."

Experts say that gun-rights advocates have never had a better chance for a major Second Amendment victory, because a significant number of justices on the Supreme Court have indicated a preference for the individual-rights interpretation.

Another appellate court that considered a similar case, in the 5th Circuit, chose not to strike down a gun law based on that individual-rights interpretation. Other appellate circuits have interpreted the amendment as protecting a militia's right to take up arms -- not an individual's. The question is whether the Supreme Court considers that a substantial enough legal conflict demanding the court's resolution.

Paul Helmke of the pro-gun-control Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence said he believes the Supreme Court will want to settle the matter. "We've expected all along this would go the Supreme Court," Helmke said. "The crucial thing is, it gets it there quicker. If the court takes the case, there's a chance there'll be a ruling just before the presidential election. That will make it politically interesting."

D.C. Assistant Police Chief Winston Robinson Jr. said he's sorry that some residents don't feel safe in their homes without guns but stressed that the recent massacre at Virginia Tech should remind them that guns don't increase safety.

"More than likely, that weapon in their home will be used against them," Robinson said. "Just think about what happened recently in Virginia: guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them."

Those voting against a new hearing were one judge who joined in the original opinion, Thomas B. Griffith, and one who dissented from it, Karen LeCraft Henderson, as well as Chief Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg, David B. Sentelle, Janice Rogers Brown and Brett M. Kavanaugh. Those voting to reconsider were Merrick B. Garland, Judith W. Rogers, David S. Tatel and A. Raymond Randolph.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 05:04:29 PM »
>>I live across a bridge five minutes away from Washington...in Virginia where it is still viewed as a RIGHT to have and carry guns.  Maryland, which is a mere ten minutes away views concealed carry as a PRIVILEGE.

I've been watching this story closely and am getting more and more concerned that this case will go to the Supreme Court.  What if it goes to the highest court in the Nation and the final judgement on the 2nd Amendment is that private citizens in Washington don't need to have guns, much less carry them.  How will this effect the rest of the country in the long run...?  Is it just me being paranoid or perhaps without full understanding...?...or do others here worry about the same thing.

Regardless - I would be interested in hearing other board members thoughts on this subject...?...TW<<

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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 05:51:41 PM »
I believe DC asked for this to be heard yesterday!!

We have a better chance with the Supreme court at this time than any other-IMO-that includes the future!!
Brenden


Local government officials in Washington, D.C., announced Monday they will appeal to the Supreme Court in a major test case on the meaning of the Second Amendment. The key issue in the coming petition will be whether the Amendment protects an individual right to have guns in one's home -- an issue on which there is now a clear conflict among federal Circuit Courts. The city will be defending the constitutionality of a local handgun control law that is regarded as the strictest in the nation.
The petition would have been due Aug. 7, but city officials said Monday that they would ask Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., for a 30-day extension of time to file the case. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and city Attorney General Linda Singer disclosed the appeal plan at a press conference, along with local Police Chief Cathy Lanier. (A news release announcing the action can be found here ) The Mayor said: "We have made the determination that this law can and should be defended and we are willing to take our case to the highest court in the land to protect the city's residents. Our handgun law has saved countless lives -- keeping guns out of the hands of those who would hurt others or themselves."
The D.C. Circuit Court ruled on March 9 that the Second Amendment does guarantee an individual right to possess a gun -- at least within one's own home. The ruling was the first by a federal appeals court to strike down a gun control law based on that view of the Amendment's reach. The case is Parker, et al., v. District of Columbia (Circuit docket 04-7041). On May 8, the Circuit Court refused by a 6-4 vote to rehear the case en banc. The mandate is scheduled to be issued Aug. 7, but will be withheld after the city files its Supreme Court petition. Thus, the existing gun law would remain in effect temporarily.
In an earlier filling in the D.C. Circuit, city officials said their appeal to the Supreme Court would present some variation of these questions: "(1) whether the panel majority's decision conflicts with the Supreme Court's decision in United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), as Judge [Karen LeCraft] Henderson concluded in dissenting from the panel majority's decision; (2) whether the Second Amendment protects firearms possession or use that is not associated with service in a State militia; (3) whether the Amendment applies differently to the District because of its constitutional status, as Judge Henderson also concluded; and (4) whether the challenged laws represent reasonable regulation of whatever rights the Amendment protects." The city noted that the panel had acknowledged that its ruling conflicts with decisions "of most other federal courts of appeals, many State courts, and the highest local court in this jurisdiction, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals."
The Circuit Court majority found that one of the six Washington residents who filed the challenge to the local gun control law had a right to bring the lawsuit. That individual is Dick Anthony Heller, a special police officer who works at the Federal Judicial Center (home of the Administrative Office of U.S. Courts) near Capitol Hill in Washington. He is licensed to carry a handgun on his job, but he applied for permission to have a pistol in his home; he was denied a license under the local law. Heller has said in court papers that he lives in a high-crime neighborhood in the city.
Heller, according to the Circuit Court, had standing to sue to challenge the gun registration provisions of the local law, as well as the clause that bars anyone from carrying a pistol without a license and a provision requiring all owners of licensed guns to keep them disassembled or with a trigger lock engaged when not in use.
The D.C. law has been in effect for nearly 31 years -- since September 1976. The lawsuit to strike it down was filed in February 2003.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 08:35:15 AM »
>>Hi Brenden...

Thanks for the very detailed recap of DC law over the past 31 years as it views handguns.  And fingers crossed that our current Supreme Court might inject some sense into future law.  

However, I was simply addressing the possible effects Nation wide if, for whatever reasons, the Court agreed with the likes of Mayor Fenty...!  After all...Washington DC isn't even a State and they do things a little different over there...TW<<

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 01:37:51 PM »
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>>Hi Brenden...

Thanks for the very detailed recap of DC law over the past 31 years as it views handguns.  And fingers crossed that our current Supreme Court might inject some sense into future law.  

However, I was simply addressing the possible effects Nation wide if, for whatever reasons, the Court agreed with the likes of Mayor Fenty...!  After all...Washington DC isn't even a State and they do things a little different over there...TW<<

TW,
It may have a huge affect!! But I feel that if there is to be a "decision" made on the Second,that we have at least 2 strict contructionist judges in place that will not be swayed by "feelings"
Some day a decision HAS to be made,IMO-lets roll!!

DC does' allow out of state people to carry/possess handguns!! If your a Congress/Senate critter!! Just ask Jim Webb!! Doesn't want to fund our troops,but let's his aides carry his pistol for him!! :o

That's a whole other issue though!! ::)

It's a roll of the dice,but everything has been 5-4 on decisions for the "good guys" as of late,I don't want a Lib to get in as President, and appoint a Shumer!!!

Just .02 cents worth..

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 02:18:52 PM »


>>Brenden...

I agree with you 300% on all issues, and like you have hopes the current Court will swing our way...looks like it should....  However...I've lived close enough to Washington DC for most of my life to know things happen there at times like the place is in it's own little world - which it is...!  And EVERY politician in it eventually comes to the conclusion they alone are the Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz...la de la de laaaaaa...

My point being...nothing will surprise me on what happens with this DC Gun ban issue...and the ramifications thereafter across the country.

I remember the day the Washington DC handgun ban went into effect.  Within a year or two Washington became the #1 city for highest homocides.  And despite the new Mayors thinking - it hasn't gotten much better.  Meanwhile he fears that if private people kept handguns at home for protection (much less for carry) - that alllllll the criminals will go find and steal these newly legalized handguns and crime will go up...??  Go figure.  Of course we are talking about a city which re-elected a crackhead former Mayor back into that position straight from jail...!  That's what I mean when I say - anything can happen in Washington, DC.

There is one aspect I agree about with the current DC Mayor.  There may well be a temporary increase of killings in DC if handguns are allowed for self defense purposes...that until local thugs and gangs become weary of private citizens who may be willing and able to defend themselves...!

I wonder if there might be other board members living here in the Washington DC area who have thoughts and opinions on this subject...?  Or anyone for that matter...TW<<