Glaser/MagSafe Ammo in the Rohrbaugh

[twostar]

Does anyone have real world experience with this type of frangible ammo in the R9?  Ballistically it seems ideal.  Recoil is reduced due to the low bullet weight.  There must be a down side other than the high cost.

[Richard S]

Twostar:

While Glaser's 9mm Makarov ammunition is standard pressure, their 9mm Luger rounds are +P.  As you know, the Rohrbaugh is not recommended for +P ammo.  I'll admit to having run a few Glasers through my R9 with no problems, but only a few.  My currently preferred carry load is to have a MagSafe in the chamber and Gold Dots in the magazine.

[twostar]

You could be right but, Kel-Tec says not t o shoot MagSafe in their .380 but Glaser is OK.  I "think" the Glaser pressure is lower but, again, not sure.  That was what the tech at Kel-Tec told me and the person I spoke to at MagSafe kind of said the same thing but declined to commit himself.

How do you compare the recoil between the frangibles and the Gold Dots?

[Richard S]

How do you compare the recoil between the frangibles and the Gold Dots?

They appear to be about the same to my old and now slightly arthritic right hand with the missing digit of its ring finger.  

[MountainMan]

right hand with the missing digit of its ring finger.  

Richard - there has to be a good story here.

[Richard S]

Richard - there has to be a good story here.

Dave:

Yes, but I'll have to be pretty drunk to tell that one -- except to say that it involved a swarthy type who cursed in Farsi.

[pocketgun]

I don't think there is any question that MagSafe loads its ammo over SAAMI pressure specs.  I have read accounts (accompanied by pictures) on two occasions of Kel-Tec P-3ATs that were blown up using MagSafe.  MagSafe now puts stickers on its packaging stating it is not for use in Kel-Tecs, but neither of the accounts I read about had the sticker on the ammo.  No surprise they are less than forthcoming with callers considering their liability is sticking out about one mile...Kel-Tec has started telling customers not to buy it, mostly for their own safety.  They have cheerfully rebuilt both the damaged guns I read of at no cost to the customers.

If I had spent $1000 for an R9, it would be the last thing I resorted to putting in it.  The whole idea of having a pocket pistol chambered for a full power combat cartridge is not having to compromise on either the penetration or expansion side of the equation.  IMO, prefragmented junk like MagSafe or Glaser is pointed squarely at people who think that $3/round will somehow buy them extra performance, when every credible expert I have read seems to think it is inferior to even the cheapest FMJ practice ammo.  It is a dangerous scam in three ways:  damage to your pistol and/or damage to your person if the pressure blows up your gun, and its inability to effectively end a gunfight getting you injured or killed by an assailant.

No offense meant to anyone here, but as you can see I feel pretty strongly about fragmenting handgun ammo in general and MagSafe in particular.  Do yourself a favor and at least research this stuff on the web extensively before you trust your life and Rohrbaugh to it.

[Salute]

Dosen't mean that Magsafe will harm an R9.  I've heard all the pros and cons for this.  With all the negative writeups their are many positive ones. There's probably good and bad outcomes for both style ammos.   Before one decides how bad a product is by what he read, he should do his own testing.

I use different ammo for different pistols. I use both.

Are their any other opinions about Magsafe on the forum ?

                                     Salute'

[pocketgun]

Dosen't mean that Magsafe will harm an R9.

Hmmm.  It doesn't mean it won't harm it either.  We know the R9 is not intended for use with +P ammo, and I haven't heard anyone dispute that they don't load MagSafe within SAAMI specs.

Some reading material:

LINK 1 - note the big hole in the base of the brass...

LINK 2

Keep in mind that even running a 50 round reliability test will cost about $100 worth of ammo.  I personally won't carry ammo that hasn't passed some kind of reliability test in my gun.  How many here who carry MagSafe ran a reliability test, and if so, how many rounds was it?

[tracker]

I would not use frangible ammo in any defense weapon
because of an incident here in Houston where the concealed
carrier fired through his driver side windshield to kill the
perpetator over a road rage incident; there is just too much
other excellent ammo available that gets the job done.
The shooter was no-billed in this case.  

[twostar]

Hi Pocketgun.  You may be absolutely correct.  I don't know and that's why I opened this subject.  I have never seen a report from a credible expert regarding this stuff and, if you can tell me where to find the reports I would be most grateful.  Where did you see that any practice hollowpoint is superior to MagSafe or Glaser?  And where is the information on damaged guns being rebuilt?

I am not trying to grind an ax or prove a point.  I just want "credible" advice from someone who can substantiate his information.  That's why I asked if anyone had "real world" experience.  Your references would be most appreciated.  I still believe in marksmanship over magic bullets but, if something new is out there and it works, I'd like to know about it.

And by the way, how the devil do you add the pictures, etc. to your posts?

[R9SCarry]

Posting pics -

You need to have pics hosted somewhere - I use my own servers.

But many folks put pics on places like imageshack.com or photobucket.com - and then put ''img'' tags around the pic url to have them display here.

So - using curly braces instead of square, to be able to show this - you might have something like -

{img}http://www.photobucket.com/twostar-pics/r9.jpg{/img}

[tracker]

Regarding Magsafe ammo, one of my sources says that
there was a substantive owner/management change in
the recent past--2-3 years that also represented a sig-
nificant change in the ammo. I don't have any more than
that but why take a chance?

[Salute]

Tracker, [you write, Why take a chance ?]  Because a friend said there has been an owner/management change. How do you form a basis on that event ?

Maybe the change lends its way to the same technology.

Maybe the change is worse.

Maybe its better.

What did your friend say about the ammo before the mgmt change ?

What expertise does your friend have and how did he apply it to the efficiency of Magsafe ammo ?

Please let me know if you can ?

                               Respectfully,

                                  Salute'

[tracker]

I will inquire further but he liked the ammo before, indicated
the change was in the negative, and his expertise is at a
level that I give a lot of credence to it.
This is only a non-specific yellow warning flag that may or
may not have any substantive basis.