my new bobergs..

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cwc, that's excellent news, only 1 problem in 700 rounds.. anyway, here's the winchester ammo that i had bought (from wallyworld, aka, walmart) and used today..

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UPDATE:  put 45 rounds through the boberg today w/ decent ammo, all at 7 yards.. no malfunctions (gun wise) and no powder showers.. but i did have 2 failures to fire, w/ the critical defense rounds..

first mag w/ golden sabers..

second mag w/ golden sabers..

next mags w/ hornady TAP..

last mag w/ hornady critical defense..

and finished off the session w/ the rohrbaugh.. she fed all of the remaining rounds w/ no malfunctions either, finally.. btw, i'm still waiting for the gold dots to arrive..  

[kjtrains]

Very good shootin' there, Auto.  Thanks for the update!  Excellent!

[ccoorreeyy]

That's good news.  That CD ammo seems to do that with several guns.  I got a package from Boberg Arms yesterday that had a heavy spring to be able to handle those hard primers.  I like the 5.5lb spring that came with it as long as I dont have any problems with it.  Love that Boberg!

[Chief-USN]

I have never had a gun that had a history of tearing rounds apart. Not real sure about that little fact when it comes to a carry gun. Hate to feel like "I hope it works" when it is needed.  Interesting gun. Was concidering getting on the list. hmmmmm

 Chief

[MRC]

Unfired rounds have always been 'pushed' before and never 'pulled backwards' out of a magazine.  Without a cannelure in the bullet, crimping has very little affect in tightening the case grip on the bullet in my opinion.   Especially on a round that head spaces on the case mouth.

I would be curious to hear what an ammunition manufacturer's opinion is on this.

[yankee2500]

It looks like time will tell what ammo will hold together with the backwards action.
I don't see ammo manufactures making any changes to the 9mm round that has worked since 1901, for one limited production gun.
  For a CCW I don't think I would like the thought in the back of my mind that a cartridge may pull apart when the gun was needed.
   There not the first manufacturer to have issues with a new product and won't be the last.

[rodell]

Without a cannelure in the bullet, crimping has very little affect in tightening the case grip on the bullet in my opinion.   Especially on a round that head spaces on the case mouth.

From my personal experience, the reverse is true.  I have found you can "taper crimp" to different levels and still retain the ability to space off of the case mouth.  This can be done with a longer crimp or a tighter crimp.  As long as there is a ridge for spacing, it still works.

I had to experiment when switching to plated bullets for practice - no crimps there even on revolver rounds.  I started using a taper crimp when playing with different length cartridges.

I do agree the manufacturers won't do anything to accommodate the Boberg.  There must be quite the grip on the bullet to pull it out in the magazine.  EEZOX to the rescue?

[Reinz]

Good comments about the bullet pulling.

Without doing a complete major redesign, Boberg will probably tweak the  mag spring a light as possible  so as do away with the "vice grip" principle which is causing the problem.

Without holding one in my hands, I would think the next thing to look at would be the angle of attack of the bullet - so new, longer, or shorter mags may be needed.
Now, I'm just talking very small incremental changes on length.

It's all about too much tension.

[ccoorreeyy]

I understand some of the concerns with bullet separation.  I had one come apart on me.   I now have 814 rounds thru my Boberg and had that 1 problem. It has run 99.877% thus far. That seems pretty good to me!  Even if this turns into a ammo select gun, like many others (R9), knowing NOT to use a certain ammo is not the death of a gun.  If you know going into it not to use "ammo X" I don't see a major problem, just don't use "ammo X".  I do own a Boberg and I can see where my thoughts might be interpreted as defensiveness but I'm just trying to look at the big picture.  I know what ammo my Seecamp eats, I know what ammo my Rohrbaugh eats and i'm learning what ammo the Boberg runs on.  I now know to pull a brush through the chamber after a hundred rounds + or - so thats not a big deal.  

I don't want "that thought" in the back of my mind either.   I am in the process of figuring out what it likes.  So far that has been very easy.  1 no go in 814 ain't bad.  We will see what happens but so far FOR ME I love the Boberg.

[Reinz]

Corey, I hope that you did not think that my analytical comments were dogging the Boberg.  I meant no slander what so ever.
As a manufacturer myself, I would think that, that is a serious enough of an issue to be  looked into.
Maybe, a brush through the chamber every 100 rounds or less is enough to smooth things out to ease the tension to prevent the vice grip principle on the bullet.
I for one, sure hope that IS the easy fix.  I would like to get a Boberg myself in the future.  I am more of a wait and see kind of a guy.

[TBI]

Anyone have a Boberg they want to sell.  Email me at: rgbpi@optonline.net

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cwc, excellent post... I love my bobergs as well... and as of this moment, I trust the boberg more than the r9.. will be putting more rounds through her this weekend..

[Chief-USN]

 I still may get on the list for a Boberg but will continue to carry my Nighthawk T-3 and R9 until I hear of the cure for the Bullet disassembly issues (Not sure I need a semi automatic bullet puller). I am not a fan of being sprayed with powder

Chief

[kjtrains]

I'm thinking seven weeks and counting;  maybe............