Disassembly/Reassembly Device

[kjtrains]

That's OK.  

[Joe_from_NY]

That was Steve Bedair's tool.

Yeah, who is that Steve Bedair, he has a nice website of mechanical projects:

http://bedair.org/

http://bedair.org/9x20camlock/9x20project.html



And here is some patent info on David's cool device:

http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7240450.html#show-last-page

[kjtrains]

Good info, Joe.  Thanks!

[Reinz]

Steve Bedair used to give instructions on how to make a disassembly/reassembly block out of two pieces (?) of pvc pipe.
But then had to pull it, due to legal reasons (maybe David S ?)

Going by pure foggy memory and conjecture.  

My apologies to both parties if facts are wrong or convuluted.

Maybe other members can chime in with better details.

[kjtrains]

I do remember the pvc pipe, but don't know what the legal issue was.

[tracker]

Steve was a good friend of the forum and didn't concern himself with paypal.

[Reinz]

Yeah, I even remember him telling us how to make the guide rod tool out of a specific feeler gauge size too.

And as Tracker pointed out - No Charge

[Joe_from_NY]

Yeah, I even remember him telling us how to make the guide rod tool out of a specific feeler gauge size too.

And as Tracker pointed out - No Charge

If anyone wants a copy of the old PVC info, i have it saved, i will email it to you.

[kjtrains]

I remember that post; have it saved somewhere.

[Joe_from_NY]

I do remember the pvc pipe, but don't know what the legal issue was.

Here is my post from another thread regarding what happened to the great info originally:

                     http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Cleaning;action=display;num=1165943631;start=25#25

[yankee2500]

Joe,
 you just copy and paste the http://www. location from the top of the page.

[Joe_from_NY]

Joe,
 you just copy and paste the http://www. location from the top of the page.

Thanks brother, i fixed it. I couldn't figure out how to make it jump right to the post, it always went to the beginning of the thread. i got it now.

[orthoward]

hey guys, just checking some threads and I saw this one. DavidS does have a nice tool from what I saw on you tube. Just want to let everyone know that we do not license this product. I would hope that everyone would respect the time effort and financial committment that an invetor had put into the product. (think of us ,and the years we spent developing the Rohrbaugh Product line. It usually takes 5-8 years and countless dollars to develop a product)

I did read the posts regarding Steve Bedair and I would hope that he just did not know that there was a patented product already out in the market?.  

Is this not the American Ingenuity at its best that DavidS took on this project. Should he not be rewarded for that?
I would caution proliferation of information that previously was found to be in violation of an existing patent without consuling with your attorney first.  

[Joe_from_NY]

hey guys, just checking some threads and I saw this one. DavidS does have a nice tool from what I saw on you tube. Just want to let everyone know that we do not license this product. I would hope that everyone would respect the time effort and financial committment that an invetor had put into the product. (think of us ,and the years we spent developing the Rohrbaugh Product line. It usually takes 5-8 years and countless dollars to develop a product)

I did read the posts regarding Steve Bedair and I would hope that he just did not know that there was a patented product already out in the market?.  

Is this not the American Ingenuity at its best that DavidS took on this project. Should he not be rewarded for that?
I would caution proliferation of information that previously was found to be in violation of an existing patent without consuling with your attorney first.  

Hey Doc-

Being that you are an investor in the company, you should  be pleased to know that i own two R9's. My issue is not about the $20 price of Dave's device. I think it is cool and surely worth the price. What always concerns me is the suppression of information. I believe we all benefit when information is freely available. It is funny that i can go to any number of the numerous patent sites, and see several diagrams of David's device, all clearly illustrated from several angles enabling me to make my own at home if i wanted. But i guess he took issue with anyone being able to look at Steve's idea. Dave's clearly has more style and elegance, and is a nice, polished design.
It's just that I believe we all suffer when information is suppressed.

You are part of an organization that produces a product that throws lead downrange. There are many pistols that came before yours that are patented, but do the same thing. Did they come after you to try to stop you from making a product that throws lead downrange. You make a great product. So do many of them. I am assuming your gun is patented. Will you go after guys on youtube demonstrating how to make zip-guns?

And regarding "information that previously was found to be in violation of an existing patent", only a court can find what is in violation of an existing patent, and i dont see anywhere where that occurred in Steve's case. If anyone can point us to where anything Steve demonstrated was found to be in violation by a court, i would be interested in seeing it.

Viagra and Ciallis both give the same result, and are both being sold. These two medications both coexisted under patents.

What is next, coming into my yard and telling me i cant have my barbeque grill on a  sloped hill because George Foreman has the patent for a sloped grill? That's just as absurd as telling me i cant talk about using old plumbing parts i have laying around to help me disassemble my gun. So could i use an old screwdriver instead of an old piece of PVC pipe? Does that make it different?

And the "American Ingenuity at its best" you mentioned is all about building a better mousetrap, not the only mousetrap on the planet.

[Joe_from_NY]

Forgive me for still thinking about this situation. You know, not being around this forum back then, and only reading into the history of the situation after the fact, it still seems to dishearten me how it finally resolved. I have corresponded with Steve Bedair, explaining to him that i like his lathe modification and projects pages, and I even ordered a steel guide rod from him for my Kahr P380 to replace the OEM plastic one. He seems like a great guy and was only trying to present info to help out fellow Rohrbaugh owners. What opinions, if any,  do you brothers have on this matter?