Author Topic: Rohrbaugh SF Sells  (Read 10690 times)

Offline MRC

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1598
Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« on: October 18, 2015, 08:56:50 AM »
I was watching this one yesterday but the price went higher than I wanted to go.

The Serial number of R6673 surprised me.  I did not think that the Special Forces models were available that late in production.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=514105815

Offline gkgeiger

  • Sharpshooter
  • **
  • Posts: 56
  • New Member
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2015, 11:30:27 AM »
I was watching that one also. How much of that amount was because of the limited production of the SF model. Will we see those numbers on like new Stealths and other R9s models in the future? Just trying to get an idea of what I should do with mine. Like new, never carried, 2 rounds fired. I bought it to carry but never will.

Offline tattoo

  • Master
  • ****
  • Posts: 499
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2015, 11:39:22 AM »
Bought and sold fair for both...I had my eye on it but like you said.  More than I wanted to spend....would of been a safe queen for me as i already carry my two tone r9 everyday...I dont care if this gun gets scratched ....she was made to protect my ass in a pinch and that is what I use it for....long live these great little pups....

Offline MRC

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2015, 12:09:28 PM »
I was watching that one also. How much of that amount was because of the limited production of the SF model. Will we see those numbers on like new Stealths and other R9s models in the future? Just trying to get an idea of what I should do with mine. Like new, never carried, 2 rounds fired. I bought it to carry but never will.

The Special Forces will always command more money than the Standard or Stealth models in my opinion because of the low production numbers.  I think that the "24 number" that is always quoted is way low from what Eric said but I really do not know.

I believe that the R9's and R380's will hold there price as time moves on but will never be a Python or Diamondback.  Just a whole lot of Colt fans and Colt has been in business now for close to 150 years but seem to always be in and out of Bankruptcy.  JMO


Offline ECR

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1754
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2015, 03:30:35 PM »
That SF R9 model was one of the last guns we put together from the last parts we had available at the factory. Nice to see her command such notoriety and sold for solid funds too. 
Makers of the NRA Shooting Illustrated: "Handgun of the Year for 2005" and receiver of an NRA Golden Bullseye Award.

Offline MRC

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2015, 05:47:12 PM »

Eric, best guess, how many Special Forces did you guys ship?
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 09:01:17 PM by MRC »

Offline ECR

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1754
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2015, 05:37:37 PM »
Oh my gosh. . . . . Those went well. . . . . I'd have to say we did somewhere around . . . . maybe 50 to 75 of those at a guestimate. The original ones we did had a coating done by Wilson Combat. After a while we changed from that to a company in Ohio for the blackening process as it held up better. Not really sure why we stopped making those as they were fun. It may have been that people would complain about the black wearing off of the top of the barrel where the slide would run over it. A number of them came back with folks complaining about that issue. Hello ~ Any black barreled semi-auto had that issue, but we always got the most complaints for it, it seemed to us. lol. So, it was easier to simply say: "OK, "They" don't get it, so we'll stop making them."
Makers of the NRA Shooting Illustrated: "Handgun of the Year for 2005" and receiver of an NRA Golden Bullseye Award.

Offline MRC

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2015, 07:54:26 PM »
Eric, thanks for the information.

The number 24 keeps coming up on the auction descriptions and I have no idea where that came from.

Offline ECR

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1754
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2015, 08:24:52 PM »
Eric, thanks for the information.

The number 24 keeps coming up on the auction descriptions and I have no idea where that came from.

Neither do I . . . . . . if I recall, I believe Karl and I were there. There were definitely more than 24 of those made though. Again, without access to the sales records, with respect, I can only guess at this point about how many were actually made over the past 10 years or so. As mentioned, there were the earlier Wilson blackened parts and then there were the other company's parts. Heck, there may have been more than I stated, but as time goes on, I can not nor will not commit to an exact number of SF made without stats available to me to go over. Best I can do is go from memory and do the best guestimate angle guys.
Makers of the NRA Shooting Illustrated: "Handgun of the Year for 2005" and receiver of an NRA Golden Bullseye Award.

Offline backupr9

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1641
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 12:52:41 PM »
I bought a Covert years ago and once Eric and Karl got a firing pin retainer issue straightened out it has been my ultra-dependable EDC ever since.  Other than having a gun dealer send the pistol to Wilson Combat for the finish and tuning, how did the Covert differ from the early special forces models?
"Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither." 
Thomas Jefferson

Endur Fortis

Offline ECR

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1754
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2015, 10:57:53 AM »
Well, as you stated, The Covert was not done by us at Rohrbaugh but rather by a dealer who purchased regular standard R9 pistols and had them redone by Wilson Combat. The Rohrbaugh made Special Forces R9 Pistols were the only all black pistols ever made by the designer, that being Rohrbaugh itself. The difference would be that while our standard R9s were nice, when we built the Special Forces R9s, like any of our special runs, we hand picked the best frames, slides, barrels, etc. so they were even better than our "regular run" pistols. Extra time was put into making them. The other obvious thing is the deep engraving of the word "Covert" on the slide. The Coverts started out as regular run R9s, so that "extra sauce" was done by Wilson and not at the factory. Not bad overall to collectors I would assume, however, be it known that they were never our gun but an "aftermarket treatment' on a "Standard" R9 pistol. We were originally paid by this particular dealer for warranty work, even if the problem was due to the work done by the other company and not by us. As time went on, payment for warranty work by that particular dealer ceased, but we continued to repair, at no cost to the pistol owner, any issue he or she had with their Covert model. Of course, we were not responsible for that, being that the work was not done by us at the factory, but by someone we had no control over as pertaining to QC, but being the pistol was originally ours, we eventually just did the work and straightened out any troublesome Covert, even though they were not factory built Rohrbaughs, per se, at that point, but rather a customized version of a Standard R9. It was, however, best for the marketing issue at that point to correct anything on the pistols. Not many came back for warranty in the long run, although, initially, there were a few more than we had liked early on. It seems Wilson got better at working on the R9s as time went along, which showed in less Covert returns, which made both we folks at the factory and the gun owner happier.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2015, 11:00:00 AM by ECR »
Makers of the NRA Shooting Illustrated: "Handgun of the Year for 2005" and receiver of an NRA Golden Bullseye Award.

Offline DanR9SF

  • Expert
  • ***
  • Posts: 112
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2015, 07:32:49 PM »
It's been a long time since I've visited this forum.  So sad to discover Rohrbaugh has been sold to Remington - I have a soft spot for my R9SF and the people who made it.  Thank you!  I still carry my SF every day, in a Mitch Rosen Pocket Softie.  The gun has never failed to feed/fire/or eject in 6 years of ownership.  I carry it often and fire it seldom.  Great little gun and I don't see anything (yet) that can replace it.  What I do think about is parts availability and repair work.  I have plenty of Wolf recoil springs and half a dozen magazines, but no spare trigger springs or any other spare parts.  I should have ordered a bunch of spares while they were still available.   Hopefully I won't need them.

Thanks for producing such a wonderful gun.

 
R9S and R9SF - Not For Sale

Offline backupr9

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1641
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2015, 08:30:19 PM »
Thanks Eric for the info.  I have another standard R9 in the gunsafe, and feel blessed to have two.  The Covert issue was primarily about a loose firing pin retainer, probably not an issue caused by Wilson Combat since other standard R9s of the same era experienced the same issue...once you put it all back together it functioned perfectly then and now...your company was generous and wonderfully responsive to any and all issues.  Thank you for past and future  pleasures of ownership of the best pocket rocket every made.
John
"Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither." 
Thomas Jefferson

Endur Fortis

Offline ECR

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1754
Re: Rohrbaugh SF Sells
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2015, 07:55:20 PM »
Thank you John for believing in us. The loose firing pin retainers were a pain in my personal tukkus. . . . . as we received those from our main guy at the time and they were on the "just within spec" values, however, as we all saw, they were not "happy" with many of the slides. I am sooo sorry about that issue. Some worked fine, others needed to come back for a refit after mild use. Being it is mechanical, as they says: "If it's mechanical, it can break." 
Makers of the NRA Shooting Illustrated: "Handgun of the Year for 2005" and receiver of an NRA Golden Bullseye Award.