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Early serial numbers.
« on: January 02, 2014, 11:05:34 PM »
Did Rohrbaugh make a change in serial numbers when they went from Farmington to Deer Park?
Do all start with "R"?
Are they sequential? In other words, R2500 was made after R2400?
Is there any way to date a serial number? (short of calling the factory.)
Are newer ones better?

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Re: Early serial numbers.
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2014, 10:38:01 AM »
Guns and More,

Here are the answers to your questions to the best of my knowledge.

The Early Pre-Production Guns (No R Prefix):
All of these guns were marked "Farmingdale, NY" had blue CF grips and if the gun had sights were marked with "R9s" on the slide. These guns also had slightly thinner walls on the slide. Of these guns only two had silver frames (#223 & #321).
#'s <= 100 were reserved for the factory. (#1 is Karl's gun, #2 is Eric's, #33 is one of their investors, I'm sure there are others. I am not sure if all the frames were actually made or if the numbers are just reserved.)
#101 was a presentation gun given to an early supporter of Rohrbaugh on various web forums - he still has the gun to this day.
#102 was the first gun sold to the public and has sense returned to the factory and is on display.
#103-147 went to people who either had been on the wait list since the very beginning (i think over 2 years for some) or were prominent gun bloggers etc.
Custom Numbered Guns:
"R9" Karl's personal carry gun for many years with blackish frame, blue grips and no sights. 
#221 & #223 are the guns featured on the cover of the manuals. #223 is a silver frame with sights and #221 is an early grey frame with no sights. I don't think these guns were sold to the public.
#246 has a darker frame almost black with blue grips and sights.
#321 is a silver frame that was originally marked #148 but was given the custom number 321. I believe this is the only silver frame pre-R sold to the public.
Other custom serial numbered early guns include: "Blackhawk-1", "NRA-04-001", "BPD-001", "DTM39", "David-1"

The Production Guns (R Prefix):
The "R" prefix was added when some minor Revisions were made to the slide (thickened) and possibly some other internal tweaks. Numbers were started over at "R101"
#<=R100 were reserved for the factory, again I don't know if all the frames were made or if they just reserved the numbers. "R101" is has been referred to as the first "production" gun after the initial revisions.The grey anodizing on these R Prefix guns is a bit darker and less "plum colored" than the pre production guns.  A few hundred of these R Prefix guns were made in Farmingdale, NY before the factory moved to Deer Park, NY. They produced about 600 total sets of blue carbon fiber grips (including the ones used on the pre production guns) so a lot of the earlier R Prefix guns will have the blue carbon fiber grips. This is also the time when BATF instructed Rohrobauh that they could only use the "R9" designation on the slide regardless if the gun had sights or not. Since the frames and the slides were hand fitted together some of the earlier R prefix guns with sights will have the "R9s" designation while others wont. There are no hard cutoffs serial number wise where before a certain number you would be guaranteed to have a Farmingdale, or blue grips, or the "R9s" designation it just seems to have come down to the luck of the draw - there are some pretty low Farmingdale, NY guns with black CF grips, and there are some pretty late guns with the "R9s" designation. For the most part though the lower the number the better chance the gun has more of the early features. There were also about 12 silver frame guns made in the early R prefix period- it was difficult to get the silver anodizing correct so only a few guns were made before the factory no longer offered the option.

Later guns with R serial numbers in the high hundreds and mid to low one thousands had slightly darker frames (this is my favorite frame color) and black carbon fiber grips. There were two styles of black carbon fiber grips; the later style has a diagonal pattern to the carbon fiber. This is also the serial number range where the factory got a bad batch of steel for the slides and had some cracking issues on the back of the slides. This is fixed under warranty regardless if you have the warranty card or not. 

The frame color was then changed to black for both the two tone and the stealth and G10 grips replaced the black carbon fiber.

« Last Edit: January 03, 2014, 01:29:23 PM by BlueC2 »
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Re: Early serial numbers.
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2014, 10:38:55 AM »
To specifically answer your questions.

There was no change in serial number when the factory went from Farmingdale to Deer Park.
They do not all start with "R" - the very early guns either had no R prefix or were custom numbered.
They are "kind of sequential" If you look at the big picture a gun in the R2000 rage most likely left the factory after a gun in the R1000 range but with batch production various frame anodizing issues early on and hand fitting of slides and frames they did not necessarily leave the factory in the order that the frames were made and numbered. I suspect that this was more prevalent in the early days than it is today but probably still happens with models like the special forces that get sent to outside vendors for work prior to shipment.
The only way to date a serial number would be to call the factory. If you are just looking for a very rough ballpark take the ~6500 guns produced and divide by 10 years (2014-2004) and gives you an approximate number of guns per year probably with higher demand in the early years.
If newer guns are better depends on how you define better. A brand new gun will have all of the design improvements made over the last 10 years functionality wise. With that said the early guns are still very good guns - Karl carried his pre-production gun until earlier this year and the owner of #133 put over 2000 rounds through his pre-production gun without any major issues. Collecting wise the earlier guns are better, utility wise why pay a premium for a collector gun when a brand new one will have all the latest improvements. 

These are just my thoughts and knowledge from reading the forum for the past couple years. Anyone please feel free to correct any information that I may have wrong.
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Re: Early serial numbers.
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2014, 11:03:15 AM »
Ryan

I am sure you have spent a lot of time doing research to come up with a comprehensive list like this!

Thanks for sharing :)

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Re: Early serial numbers.
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2014, 07:22:11 PM »
Some very informative material listed here.

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Re: Early serial numbers.
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2014, 09:16:12 PM »
Thank you.