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Offline Richard S

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Reaffirmation for a Classic
« on: August 20, 2012, 11:17:26 AM »
When the federal government in 1985 decided to switch to the Beretta 92F 9mm (M9) as the new official sidearm for the military, replacing the venerable Colt M1911A1 45ACP, I was perplexed -- almost appalled.

I imagined that both Samuel Colt and John Moses Browning were looking down with disfavor.

Even so, I purchased a Beretta 92F and gave it a try. I was less than impressed. It wasn't simply that I found it somehow troubling that an Italian-owned company would replace Colt as the supplier of the military's official sidearm, even if the Berettas were manufactured at a new facility in the United States. My personal impression of the 92F was that it was too large for the caliber and that it was just . . . well . . . too subject to damage from hard use in the field.  As a result, I sold it to someone who admired it more than I did.

But it now appears that what goes around comes around.

Yesterday, the U. S. Department of Defense announced the following:

"Colt Defense L.L.C., West Hartford, Conn., was awarded a $22,500,000 indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract July 18, 2012 for production, delivery and logistical support of the close quarter battle pistol.  Work will be performed in West Hartford, Conn., and is expected to be completed by July 2017.  No contract funds will expire by the end of the current fiscal year.  This contract was competitively procured using full and open competition with three offers received.  The Marine Corps System Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity (M67854-12-D-1056)."

See:  http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4836

And here it is, the Colt 45 Close Quarter Battle Pistol, modeled after earlier versions of the semi-automatic 1911 pistol used since the 1980s by Marine Force Reconnaissance units:


This link has more commentary on the contract:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/08/20/after-30-years-marines-return-to-45-colt.html

I imagine that both Samuel Colt and John Moses Browning are looking down with favor.

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Re: Reaffirmation for a Classic
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 11:37:28 AM »
Back to the future and a very pleasant surprise. It is about time. Any word on the Army's direction in this regard?
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Re: Reaffirmation for a Classic
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 12:22:44 PM »
Back to the future and a very pleasant surprise. It is about time. Any word on the Army's direction in this regard?

I believe the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment—Delta (Delta Force) uses the Kimber Pro Carry .45 ACP. A few other Army units reportedly allow optional carry of 1911-type sidearms, but the ammunition may have to be privately purchased. Given the inertia of procurement policies and the desire for NATO commonality, however, I expect that the M9 in some variation or another will remain the Army's principal combat sidearm for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Reaffirmation for a Classic
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 05:06:38 PM »
Thats funny, when has NATO ever helped us?
I mean REALLY helped us? They should use
whatever "WE" use. I read somewhere a while
back that the US was looking for a Base in the
Mediterranean and their was a perfect spot in
Italy, but.......well.......pistol trials were going
on looking for the next military pistol. Baretta
magically got the contract and the US Military
got its Base in Italy. We need to stop letting
Europeans crap on us. I could care less if they
like us or not. We need to elect more politicians
that feel the same. How do YOU feel? Do you care
what your German cousins think? I don't
care what mine think!

I'm thrilled we are back to being Americans.
Long live Colt and the .45ACP!!!!!! I was
interested in maybe getting a Baretta Nano
but remembering how the US rolled over
for Italy has really pissed me off. Even though
the Nano is made in America I think I'll pass.
The Boberg XR9-L savings fund has officially
begun.......I guess I need to get on a waiting
list. Arne will be pleased.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 10:18:53 AM by billib »

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Re: Reaffirmation for a Classic
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 09:01:36 AM »
This is an interesting read, I too hate the M9 and love my own 1911. While I just returned less then a month ago, you would be surprised on how many Sigs you see over there by US forces. This trip it seemed like 1 out of 10 had a Sig and it was not just the special forces or OSI, CID, ect..... The only good thing about the M9 is the mah capacity.

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Re: Reaffirmation for a Classic
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 09:11:16 AM »
I agree with billib...IMHO only an idiot would want the world to "like us"...on an international basis our friends should respect us;  our potential enemies should both fear and respect us.
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