Thanks to all for the help and advice. Robert, really appreciate the ballistic info. MRC, agree that neither caliber should be primary carry unless no other choice. My primary is a Kimber Ultra CDPII .45 or an SP101 in .357, depending. The R9 is, as my handle suggests, mostly (but not always) backup. The Seecamp could be a backup to the R9 in either caliber, but I mostly just admire the jewel-like beauty and quality and want it for that reason. I'll keep looking and get whichever caliber come up at the right time I guess.