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New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« on: December 03, 2008, 08:33:00 PM »
I just ordered an R9S Stealth and it should be here on Friday.  I was going to buy a Kahr PM9, but a recommendation from my cousin and your excellent forum convinced me otherwise.  I'm looking forward to carrying the Ferrari of pocket 9s.

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 10:19:53 PM »
Excellent.  The Stealth's are one of my All time favourite guns.

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 07:57:04 AM »
RTM:

Welcome to the campfire, and congratulations on selecting what I consider to be the finest pocket pistol yet produced.
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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2008, 12:53:02 PM »
RTM, welcome and pull up a log and get comfortable. Let us know how you like the pup.   Tom
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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2008, 01:14:04 AM »
Well, I picked up my new R9S Stealth at Carter's Country last night.  I used them as my FFL transfer agent, mainly because I didn't know who else to go to.  Plus, they were very nice to work with when I was shopping for an over and under shotgun recently.  Anyway, I got the new pup home and immediately took her down and cleaned her up.  First impressions were as follows: surprisingly heavy (dense is more the word, I think, but heavy is what I thought when I first picked it up, more on this later), very well made, smooth action, tight springs, nice finish, and sharp magazine release.

On the subject of the weight...  I recently purchased a S&W 340PD as a possible CCW, and was mentally expecting this to be about the same.  While the weight of the two IS pretty close, the R9S is noticeably heavier in the hand.  This is borne out on the postal scale I measured them on.  Both loaded, the R9S is just over 4 ounces or ~30% heavier than the 340PD.  While not a REALLY big deal, it made enough of an impression to note it here.  In addition, the R9S is about 10-15% smaller than the 340PD.  This makes for a much denser feel and not as "light" feeling as the 340PD, since the weight isn't spread out on a larger surface.  This could affect my carry preference negatively.  To be seen over time, I guess.

The magazine release was also disappointing.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the heel or "European" release.  That I prefer in a small pocket gun.  I'm not interested in the "I've got to be able to reload in a hurry" argument.  If I need more than 7 rounds in a CCW, it's a REALLY bad day.  Anyway, I always loved the heel release on my Sig P230 and was hoping this would operate similarly.  While the Sig is a nice smooth catch, both to engage and release, the R9 is not.  It DOES catch, but it's more of a "I think it's in there, but let me press down again just to be sure".  The Sig is a "no nonense, that sucker is in and it ain't comin' out."  In addition, the Sig smoothly releases the mag when pressed, whereas the R9 takes a mighty press and a slight jiggle of the mag to get it to release.  I think this is one area that needs to be looked at for improvement.

My second impression was, for a $1200 gun, why doesn't Rohrbaugh put a punch in the appropriate size for takedown AND a 1/16" allen wrench for tightening the grip screws IN the box with the gun?  I know some people are going to already have these things, but others of us are not, and even if we did, it would be nice if we had something in the box that could be dedicated to the gun.  It wouldn't increase the cost more than about $3 and I for one would be happy to spend an extra $25 just for the convenience of not having to run out to Home Depot to get the right tools for the job.  Besides, don't you just love a new gun (or any product really), when you open the box and find the people who made it already thought of everything you were going to need to start with?

I know this post seems a little negative, and I certainly don't want to seem that way, but for what my expectations were, I was a little underwhelmed.  Admittedly, it seems a very nice pistol, but on a scale of 1-10, I give it an 7 in terms of overall level of satisfaction at this point.  Feelings are clearly a little mixed so far.

Range report to be posted in the appropriate location next...

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 02:03:55 AM »
I use a toothpick for take down.
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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 02:10:14 AM »
A couple of observations to make you feel better.

That magazine release, while not HK cool :), is still going to be faster than loading a J-frame....at least for most folks.

Wait until you shoot the R9 vs the J-frame.  Having done both myself; and, while I agree that the J-frame is lighter and over a long day may be "better" there is NO WAY it shoots better than the R9.  The R9 shoots as good as any full sized pistol I've ever shot.  It shoots better than it has a "right to."  While I like J-frames, there is no getting over 12lbs (and having to rotate the cylinder) vs the butter smooth 8lbs of the R9.  

Go shoot it and give us a report....I bet you'll move it up a notch or two.  
« Last Edit: December 08, 2008, 02:11:09 AM by BytorJr »

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 10:31:16 AM »
Where were you Friday night, CaptBW?  That is a good tip.

BytorJr,  Yes, it is much faster than the J frame, but still pitiful compared to the beautiful Euro mag release on the Sig P230.  After shooting it a bit, the R9 mag release is a little better, but just passable, IMO.  I think the design needs a little work.

Unfortunately, while I agree that the pistol shoots very accurately, world's better than the J-frame, it does not shoot "better".  At least, mine doesn't.  Go check out my two range reports, plus pictures, and let me know what you think.  

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=RangeReports;action=display;num=1228629123
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=RangeReports;action=display;num=1228708429

I'm hoping that my experiences can be explained by a defective unit, otherwise, this pup is likely to be sent to the doghouse.

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 06:14:22 PM »
The Rohrbaugh empty is 12.8 oz. while the 340PS is shown to be 12 oz. I can't imagine a person could actually feel the difference in weight between the two.

Then you add 5 rounds of .38 to the 340PD and 6 rounds of 9mm to the R9S and I'd think it would still be pretty much an even deal and if so, it's the ammo difference, not the pistol's.

And of course the R9 is going to "feel" heavier because it's the same weight but in a smaller package; more "concentrated" if you will. But it's that smaller size that has me grabbing my R9S over my 642 most days.

In mine, the mag snaps home just fine with a definite "click" as the retainer slips over the end of the mag when the mag seats.

I've been carrying my R9S Stealth as a front pocket piston for now using a Uncle Mikes #1 holster, and I don't notice the weight at all. When I do that with my 642 (admittedly heavier than the 340PD), it's not so much the weight of the (heavier) 642 that bothers me but the bulk. It seems to me that the larger size of the 340PD would still be more noticeable than the R9S as well. But maybe that's just me...

I definitely agree with the "marketing" omissions, and for a pistol of this price, an almost no-cost plastic stud for the slide release would have been a nice "nicety" touch, but I feel even more that a full half-dozen of the recoil springs should have been included, again, considering the price of the pistol itself.

Still, it sounds to me like the OP has decided to simply not like the R9 and wants to find reasons for not doing so. It also sounds to me like someone's going to get a deal on a used "new condition" R9S.

Shoot me a price and maybe we can work a deal?
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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 07:02:10 PM »
Depending on what the factory ends up saying about issues I'm having you could be right, Carter.   ;)  We're still a long way away from that point, though.  There's at least one trip back to the factory here before I give up.  I still really want this to work out.

On the weight issue, you're forgetting the mag itself.  The published "unloaded" weight of the R9 IS 12.8 oz, but that's without the mag as well.  Fully loaded weight of both pistols is 17.5 oz for the R9 and 13.5 oz for the 340PD (with 38 spl, not 357 rounds).  Since nobody shoots 357 in a 340PD anyway, it's not fair to weigh it that way.  Again, the weight isn't a huge issue, but it is noticeable and I thought it would be beneficial for others who might make the same comparison.

As far as my tendency, I assure you, I went into this really wanting to love this pistol.  And everything that I've mentioned so far would be no big deal at all if the darn thing was as reliable as some folks on this board are reporting theirs are.  I could easily have turned my 7 into a 9 if that had happened.

Carter, would you mind looking at your ejector and seeing if it has that little notch at the bottom like mine does?  The picture is in my 2nd range report.  I'm trying to get a feel from folks here if that is a normal "feature" or just a defect.

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 08:54:58 PM »
Mine appears to have a similar relief as yours, but definitely not as pronounced. I at first thought it was just straight across, but after putting more light on it, I do see just a little cutaway (for lack of a better word).

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2008, 09:28:44 PM »
Yikes, that range report sounds pretty grim.  

Have you had anybody else shoot the gun to see if they can replicate it.  I'd imagine they could; but before you send it back you may want to do so.  

I'm surprised you had FTF's with WWB.  If it'd been Green Box Remington, I'd say that's the problem.  But you've shot a lot of different stuff and that really makes me think your gun has an issue.   The Rohrbaughs will take care of the problem, so do not give up hope - they are fantastic guns.  

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2008, 09:41:41 PM »
BytorJr,

Yes, there were four of us yesterday and everyone who shot it had the same experience.  I tried calling Rohrbaugh this afternoon, but it was a little late in the day.  I will try tomorrow.

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2008, 11:12:29 PM »
That sucks!!!  I'm sure it will get to functioning.  I still like the 340, and I shoot the 357 short barrels and 38+P.  However, once the R9 starts working well, I think you'll agree that the tactical advantage is with the R9...2 more rounds, easier to hit with, etc, etc.   But...we've got to get it working first....

Just don't give up hope yet.  

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Re: New Rohrbaugh R9S Stealth on the way
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 08:11:08 PM »
Spoke to Maria today and it's back to the factory for the little pup to get a once-over.  She seemed mainly concerned about the light primer strikes, so we'll see what they say.  I'll let everyone know how it goes.  Obviously, you would much rather a new product work perfectly right out of the gate, but it's how a company steps up and responds when there are issues that really proves the value, IMO.