WOOPS, sorry, hit the wrong key and posted prematurely!! WOW, I'm happy!! We have generated some discussion!! R9s I appreciated your grip post, it was well done.. I believe we can "chat" on this forum without becoming trollish. I believe that anyone that isn't respectful won't last very long!! I miss hearing from Mr. Hedley and his great wit... He considers himself to be "older" however, he and I look about the same age!!!! Have a great evening, Jim