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SureFire Flashlight Review
« on: January 21, 2005, 02:41:00 PM »
In this month's issue of Concealed Carry Magazine, I have a review of various SureFire flashlights.  The article is reproduced here with permission of Concealed Carry Magazine.  

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/surefire.pdf
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2005, 05:59:49 PM »
Got the mag' .... good read! :)
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2005, 04:38:41 PM »
Very nice review.  Too bad you couldn't review the KL4 LED head.  This head is every bit the equal of the 50 lumen xenon bulb for the E2E, but gives you another 3 hours of diminished brightness use after the initial 1 hour at 65 lumens.  Many people have the misconception that LED's can't be focused for spotlight use, and many LED flashlights make no attempt, but my L4 has every bit as much throw as my E2E.  It just takes a bigger - and maybe differently configured - reflector to do it.

I have also found that the battery life with other LED flashlights is very overstated, and if you need a certain minimum level of brightness, you aren't going to get it for that much longer than a conventional bulb.  Again, the advantage of the LED is that you don't get sudden failure.

Interesting to read of your disappointment with the E2D.  This light has appealed to me, but I haven't wanted to go back to the xenon bulb after experiencing the LED, and have suggested to Surefire that an "L4D" would be the ultimate tactical light.  I can see your point about the crenelations getting in the way of the switch.

When I first saw a Kubotan, and even later after I bought one, I sas very skeptical about the usefulness of something like that for self-defense, despite having already achieved a black belt.  I didn't fully appreciate it until I had some specific training in its use.  Now, I never walk through a metal detector without some kind of small aluminum flashlight that won't raise eyebrows but will be an effective defensive tool.

I disagree about the switch.  I like the click-on/off switch.  You have to push pretty hard to overcome the momentary on and click it on, so doing so when momentary on is desired is unlikely.  I have found that the prior switche caps tended to rotate out of position, so you never quite knew how much force you were going to need.  I really like being able to tighten the cap all the way down and know that it is properly set.

I used to think the Rogers/Surefire/cigar method was the ultimate flashlight hold until I actually had some low-light training.  I found that what works best is to just grasp the light in your fist and raise it up to about shoulder height.  Move it from one side to the other depending on which side of a barricade you are going around, and/or move it away from your body if you are outdoors and the old "FBI" technique is appropriate.  If someone grabs your gun, you are holding a weapon you can use to keep him from getting control of it.

I have generally found that any attempt to use a 2-hand hold with a flashlight creates unusual pressure points on the hand/gun that will cause shots to go well off to one side or the other.  The trick to using the Rogers/Surefire/cigar method or the Harries method is to MINIMIZE the pressure applied to the shooting hand by the gun hand, thereby giving you some additional stability without creating these pressure points.  I prefer to just rely on the one-hand shooting that was thoroughly drilled before I learned how to combine the gun and flashlight.

I have also found that carrying a 6Z or G2Z on the belt creates a huge bulge, while an E2E or L4 creates no more outward bulge tnan a magazine pouch.

So, given my disillusionment with the techniques requiring such a light, and the better concealment offered by a narrower light, I switched from carrying a G2Z to an E2E and then later to the L4.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2005, 04:48:48 PM »
Bill, I only have the humble E1e ... mainly cos someone was selling it NIB and it appealed.  For what it is - I have to sing its praises!  I think it can be under-rated even tho it is the ''baby'' in the club.

I have to say, despite its diminutive and one celled status, I have found it quite a remarkable light.  I got the LED head ... which was IIRC $54 ... not cheap.  Amazing thing is tho it does give extraordinary output - all that and good focus.  They certainly have done a great job on the optics design.

I have tested this one on myself and others ... and without any exceptions, the result is - DAZZLE -- to point where a profound after-image results -  even after the briefest exposure, it is optically painful!. I am quite confident that if needed in a defence situation, it will give that fraction of ''edge'' ... and so give me just that bit extra time.

I had planned on E2e as my minimum ... but find now the small size is good on my belt and as said - amazed at what it can do.  I have a further 18 batteries in stock!! :P ;D
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2005, 04:52:12 PM »
Thanks for the comments, Bill.

Yeah--I would like to see the KL4 head -- I loved the KL1.

The switching thing is just personal preference I guess.  I have talked to others who don't care for it.  I am afraid that I am going to mash that button under stress and click the light "on" where it takes another release and push to click it off.

I didn't discuss the merits of the various flashlight holds in my article -- but I would here.  I don't care for the Rogers/Surefire grip becasue it is not natural.  The Harries is easier to go from holding the light naturally to a two hand gun hold.  I agree that Harries is tiring and I tend toward a variation where I hold much more relaxed.  I inadvertantly showed that in the article -- which I realized after the fact shows bad form for the demonstrated Harries hold.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2005, 07:15:52 PM »
Great article Duane!  I have the E2D and now you have me thinking about trying some of the others.  Thanks.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2005, 03:20:46 PM »
Duane, Thanks for the informative Surefire review; it helped me make up my mind. Tom
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2005, 06:58:23 PM »
Duane,
       Very good article..I have a chance to get a "better" price on a Surefire..
I currently have the WallyWorld special Brinkman-very nice for the money,but need to upgrade.. ;)

I am also looking at putting a light on a newly acquired AR 15 and was wondering if you could direct me towards any additional info on this style of Surefires?

I have studied a bit at ARFcom,but I value your ideas on this..

Thanks,
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2005, 11:12:34 AM »
Brendan,

Thank you for the kind words.  I truly believe in my SureFire products and in the company.  They are going to send me some of their knives from their new "Edged Weapons" division -- including a prototype of a new knife not yet announced.  I am really looking forward to that...

I don't know much about the AR type weapon-mounted lights -- but I would certainly buy a SureFire without hestitation.  Its unfortunate that you can't get a lot of discount off of "retail" -- but for their products I am willing to pay the premium.

I am building a home defense shotgun now, and I hope to get a SureFire light for it as well.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2005, 06:12:05 PM »
Duane, I have sent you a "report from Iraq" on what works and what doesn't. There is some info on Surefire in there please note. I hope this info helps.   Tom
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2005, 06:42:45 PM »
For what it is worth I have a TACMIII light on my AR-15, mounted on the barrel in front of the front sight, with a remote pressure switch velcro-secured to the forestock.  I had to use some super glue to get the loop portion of the velcro to stick to the forestock.

It is a workable, less expensive alternative to the Surefire weapon lights, which are EXPENSIVE.  However, I don't care for the exposed wire for the switch.  I also agree with Duane that Surefire quality is a cut above everything else out there.

On an unlimited budget, I'd get one of the Surefire lights that are incorporated right into the forestock.  The least expensive and least bright one would provide the best balance of brightness, battery life, and weight.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2005, 05:28:15 PM »
Last night the tailcap switch for my L4 broke after about a year and a half of almost daily carry.

I've never had a problem with the old switches that required rotating the tailcap for constant on, so even though my statistical sample is quite small, I have to wonder if these newer switches might be more problem-prone.  It appears that SureFire is going more to the click on and off tailcaps, so I hope this is not the case.

The tailcap is covered under warranty, and I've already Emailed Surefire.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2005, 11:03:52 AM »
SureFire responded to my Email promptly and is sending me a new tailcap.  A+ for warranty service so far.
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Re: SureFire Flashlight Review
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2011, 11:59:30 PM »

Fenix holds their own with flashlights also.





http://www.fenixtactical.com/fenix-tk41.html