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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2006, 02:15:39 PM »
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Is is OK to love Rohrbaughs AND Seecamps?  I sure do.

I believe there is actually some type of requirement for this!! ;) 8)

Both are finely made "tools" ;D

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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2006, 02:21:11 PM »
If one has a R9s and wants another pocket pistol, My vote is for the Seecamp .32. It is about half the cost of the .380 and you will not lose much in velocity and is easier to get.
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2006, 07:27:58 PM »
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If one has a R9s and wants another pocket pistol, My vote is for the Seecamp .32. It is about half the cost of the .380 and you will not lose much in velocity and is easier to get.
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That was my reasoning too. :)

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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2006, 04:18:29 AM »
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Is is OK to love Rohrbaughs AND Seecamps?....
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2006, 08:26:26 PM »
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I believe there is actually some type of requirement for this!! ;) 8)

Both are finely made "tools" ;D

Brenden

Agreed!  My wife appropriated and carries the Seecamp .32 with old ivory grips which I used to call my "dress-blue Sunday gun."
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2006, 09:00:51 PM »
Hey, theirishguard, if you think there isn't much difference between the .32 and a full house 9 mm (which is hardly what I would call a great defensive cartridge to begin with) you better take a look at real world stop stats and quit reading wherever you saw that tidbit.  I've carried and, unfortunately, had to use handguns for over 35 years, and the Rohrbaugh and the .357 Scandium S&W's are the only 2 "pocket pistols" I would even consider to protect me and my family.  Sorry but .32s and .380s just don't cut it, particularly where people wear heavy clothes.  (The 9mm is pretty marginal in that case too, actually.)
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2006, 11:39:57 AM »
As I read his post, Tom ("theirishguard") was not contending that there "isn't much difference between the .32 and a full house 9 mm."  Instead, he seems to be advising that, "If one has a R9s [9mm] and wants another pocket pistol," one might select the Seecamp .32 over the Seecamp .380 due to considerations of cost, availability, and relatively comparable ballistics (.32 ACP vs. 380 ACP).

I believe in Robert Ruark's advice to "use enough gun," and at any given time I will carry the largest caliber handgun which I can effectively conceal.  However, on those occasions when circumstances have required me to carry a weapon chambered for .380 ACP or .32 ACP, I have not felt inadequately armed.  If in real estate the rule is "location, location, location," with small-caliber defensive handguns I believe the rule is "placement, placement, placement" combined with double or triple taps.  

Without intending to fan the age-old caliber/one-shot-stop debate, the following article contains some interesting statistics in Sheet 1 of Table 2, to which Tom may have been referring in his previous post:

van Maanen, Maarten: "Discrepancies in the Marshall & Sanow 'Data Base': An Evaluation Over Time." Wound Ballistics Review, 4(2); 9-13: Fall, 1999, reprinted with express written consent from the International Wound Ballistics Association (IWBA) and the author at http://www.firearmstactical.com/marshall-sanow-discrepancies.htm
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2006, 02:23:03 PM »
Twostar and Richard, OK, I agree that a .32 and .380 are marginial calibers. Having said that, there is not that much difference between the .32 and .380, so for cost and availablity the .32 would be a good choice, if one is going to carry a pocket pistol.
I agree the 9mm is better, even if it is marginial, but we can't carry all the time a hand cannon ie: .45, .357, .44, .40 & etc.
So, with that said a R9s or a Seecamp in .32 would be much better than not carrying.
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2006, 02:48:07 PM »
Tom:

That's how I read your earlier post, and I completely agree.
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2006, 05:12:00 PM »
Before my Rohrbaugh I carried a .25 caliber Berretta when I could not carry my .38 S&W snubby.  A lot of guys would say all they carry is .45's.   Funny how a majority of the time they were unarmed when I always had at least my 25 on me.

I am thankful now I do have my R9 to carry now though.  I do feel better armed.
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2006, 05:17:36 PM »
bigyimmy, thats about it.
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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2006, 09:34:54 PM »
Funny thing is a just bought a Glock model 30 which is a mid frame .45 caliber.  Great gun.  I shoot it well.  When I leave the house 98% of the time I carry the R9.  Carrying a gun is a hassle and Rohrbaugh just makes it more bearable.

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Re: Rohrbaugh being debated on the Seecamp board
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2006, 11:35:25 PM »
I'm no youngster and let me tell you it gets harder and harder to carry as you get older.  I pretty much can only pocket carry anymore.  

I wore a J-frame in an ankle holster everyday for 25+ years, sometimes for up to 16 hours a day.  Today, even 30 minutes of it hurts my ankle bone and cuts off my circulation.  IWB carry cuts into my hip and spare tire.  SOB (small of back) carry would be great if I could still reach my pistol back there.

I feel confident with my R9S and/or LWS .32.  I will feel a little better with my LWS .380 when it arrives but until then my carry combo serves me well.  Besides, the upside of my aging is that I have had many years of practice and am a pretty good shot.