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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: ap1169 on July 03, 2012, 12:15:19 AM
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IYO is the Covert worth the price? What is one worth to you? Thanks, Robert
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Robert,
I'm not a big fan of all black guns so it's not worth much more than a standard two tone to me. To those who like that look and for the extra fluff and buff Wilson does I'm sure it would be worth more.
I would rather have a Robar model.
But thats just me. 8)
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I too do not like an all black gun.
I problem I have os the barrel has the blackarmor tuff coating. A few rounds down range and it will show signed of wear. I has a WC 1911 and had the same problem.
If you are a fan of the armor tuff coating and like an all black gun then this is the right PUP for you.
If not you have a lot of options.
You can purchase a new or used R9 and have it customized from there of need be.
As far as the Covert price, I think there is a lot of work that goes into making one and it is a fair list price. I believe there is a lightly used Covert in the classified ads on the forum.
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Sorry I just checked and the used Covert has been sold.
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AP,
One thing I would keep in mind is that as far as I know the Covert is not an official Rohrbaugh model. I think after Rohrbugh discontinued the Special Forces edition some of the major distributors wanted to keep offering a Wilson finished R9 to customers and with Rohrbaughs blessing facilitated getting the guns produced. I believe the original warranties are valid though b/c Rohrbaugh approved it (please correct me if Im wrong). None of this is a negative, but I would not pay a premium over what the R9+finishing costs are because it is not a super limited production gun or anything like that.
What Adam (Z) mentioned about the finish on the barrel wearing poorly after shooting it a few times would also really bother me. If I were to get a coated gun it would be the Robar finish based on the positive experiences of those like John (Yankee) and others have had. Just my 2 cents.
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+1 on the Robar NP3 finish!
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While the Special Forces is a very limited production number, I am not a huge fan of that deep dark coating. The Covert coating is much soother to the eyes and more appealing IMHO. With Wilson having tuned the gun a bit, it does have some intrinsic value....BUT the Robar NP3 finish is the way to go. I will probably send mine out this winter for the internals to get coated.
Dom
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While the Special Forces is a very limited production number, I am not a huge fan of that deep dark coating. The Covert coating is much soother to the eyes and more appealing IMHO. With Wilson having tuned the gun a bit, it does have some intrinsic value....BUT the Robar NP3 finish is the way to go. I will probably send mine out this winter for the internals to get coated.
Dom
Dom,
Robar usually runs a special around March I believe, thats when I sent mine and it was a pretty good savings.
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In the past they have offered the discount a couple of times each year.
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+1+ on the Robar! If carried in the pocket the NP3 handles the lint/dust with no problems.
Robar233
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Thanks John for the advice..I will keep checking back with them. BTW...I installed the grip screws and O-rings the other day. You can tell that the o-rings really help torque down the screws. Going to the range in the upcoming week, and looking forward to see how they work.
Happy 4th everyone!!
Dom
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I think I would rather have the discounted price than the NP3+ upgrade, but thats just me. ;D
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I think I would rather have the discounted price than the NP3+ upgrade, but thats just me. ;D
John
I agree. The last time I spoke to Robar about the two finishes, they said they would recommend the NP3+ for a salt water environment.
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Maria had told me the same thing when i had obtained the parts list from her. I am gonna wait for the price drop on NP3.
Dom
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Well I did it! I took my Covert with the rub marks on the barrel to my gunsmith for a polish job. She looks a lot better to me know. Please see the before and after. Thanks, Robert http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa425/Robert_Madison/COVERT/
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ap
Looks great. If I owned a Covert, I would do the same.
Now its ready for the range. Let us know how it shoots.
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AP,
One thing I would keep in mind is that as far as I know the Covert is not an official Rohrbaugh model. I think after Rohrbugh discontinued the Special Forces edition some of the major distributors wanted to keep offering a Wilson finished R9 to customers and with Rohrbaughs blessing facilitated getting the guns produced. I believe the original warranties are valid though b/c Rohrbaugh approved it (please correct me if Im wrong). None of this is a negative, but I would not pay a premium over what the R9+finishing costs are because it is not a super limited production gun or anything like that.
What Adam (Z) mentioned about the finish on the barrel wearing poorly after shooting it a few times would also really bother me. If I were to get a coated gun it would be the Robar finish based on the positive experiences of those like John (Yankee) and others have had. Just my 2 cents.
this is correct. apparently a distributor was buying the R9's and turning them into "Coverts" via Wilson with the use of Armor Tough/Tuff, i think thats the name.....
I don't think i'd go for something like that though, not b/c of the all black, but b/c the Rohrbaughs hand-fit their guns. That's all they work on all day, the R9. I'd feel a little hesitant buying a gun they built, then it was disassembled/sprayed/reassembled by someone who builds 1911's. I'm a fan of bill wilson's work, but something irks me about a R9 rebuilt by someone who doesn't do it for a living. I'd be very surprised if Rohrbaugh warranties someone else's work, even if it is Wilson's. there just might be a certain fit/feel that they miss out on when doing putting it together. It's only speculation, but i'll stick with a Stealth R9.
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My response from Maria:
Robert,
Pricing on this gun is related to material, labor and the finish. Wilsons
Armor Tuff coating has anti-galling properties that make it easier to clean
and maintain your firearm. There will be normal wear patterns as seen in
your pictures that might not show on other guns that are coated with Armor
Tuff because our tolerances are tighter than most guns. The tighter
tolerances will cause friction and the normal wear patterns that you're
seeing. In reference to the guide rod Wilson suggested not doing the guide
rod because of tolerances but felt that the other parts which are coated
would receive the advantage of the Armor Tuff coating.
Rohrbaugh Firearms Corp.
631-242-3175 Office
631-242-3183 Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert [mailto:rcmadison@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 7:47 PM
To: rfcsales@optimum.net
Subject: Covert
Hi Maria,
I purchased this Rohrbaugh/Wilson Covert about 8 months ago.
I have fired about 30 rounds threw the pistol.
I have two issues for a $1800 gun.
The recoil spring plunger is SILVER and not black like the rest of the
pistol, WHY???
Also, the black is worn off over the chamber with about 30 rounds shot.
Should this be???
Attached are three pictures.
Thanks,
Robert
Weapon Systems Specialists
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Makes perfect sense to me.
Thanks for posting the factory response. :)
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And Rohrbaugh does continue to warrant the Covert.