The Rohrbaugh Forum
Miscellaneous => Other Guns => Topic started by: backupr9 on March 02, 2012, 08:19:09 PM
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Owner well known on that forum...a good guy. Selling for $1350.00. I have no connection to him except as a member of that forum.
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As more of these become available it will be interesting to see what the price does on the used market.
Chief
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The same gun is listed on GunBroker now.
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It seems that many are only buying this gun from Arnie at $995 to simply resell it for 50-200% profit.
Chief
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Jim had this one for quite a while. It is like #101 and Corey talked him into getting his name on the list early. He is a real good guy and really likes the pistol but he has a big project coming up and did not want to borrow $1000.00 so he is trying to sell it. Jim is a real straight shooter and will tell you the truth.
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How about the Boberg on Gun Broker with the buy it now price of $2100.00.(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/3d-funny-eyes.gif) I might like to try a pipe full of whatever they've been smoking.
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No kidding about $2100. I've been interested for a some time now after initially learning about this through this forum. However, when I had the cash on hand before the recent veterinarian costs, I refused to pay the markup that these pistols have been bringing. I understand early production - supply vs. demand markups, but some of these are incredible. It's as if Colt decided to pick up the Pythons again for a limited production run, the price gouging perhaps would be on par with the Bobergs as of late. At $1350, it's still high but far less than some of the prices seen recently.
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Owner well known on that forum...a good guy. Selling for $1350.00. I have no connection to him except as a member of that forum.
This used Boberg sold on GB for $1500.00 on a "Buy Now". Congrats to Jim.
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Somebody must have wanted it really badly. Or did no research and did not know any better.
Chief
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Somebody must have wanted it really badly. Or did no research and did not know any better.
Chief
It's far more likely that somebody wanted a fantastic gun, did some research, and had the cash to pay for it.
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As I said, they must have wanted one pretty bad if they did not want to wait for one. There are alot of very nice guns out there they could have today and not have to pay a 50% or more premium. It is a Buyer's market.
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I guess it is a "I want it now" society. People will buy luxury items before they even have the nessesities.
I've seen $25,000 Harleys parked in front of 10'X50' trailer houses.
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I guess it is a "I want it now" society. People will buy luxury items before they even have the nessesities.
I've seen $25,000 Harleys parked in front of 10'X50' trailer houses.
They were parked because they didn't have gas money. ;D ;D
Paying a small premium for a new item that is limited production or for an item with an excessive backlog because you don't want to wait is understandable, paying two and three times the value of any item you could have by ordering and waiting is just STUPID and comes from suffering from more money than brains syndrome.
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People are certainly impulsive.
I've heard of people spending $300 for a set of CF grips.
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There is nothing quite like an excess of demand over supply to stir emotional purchases. Usually, it will be self correcting once there is an increase of supply relative to demand.
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I remember when the PT Cruiser was a new model car and semi rare. I saw one on a lot and asked how much he was asking for it (It had an MSRP of around 18K) and he told me with a straight face $32,000 ! I reminded him the list price was 18K and he gave me some story about owner buying it in some far away place. He looked like he realized how rediculase he sounded.
Chief
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Simple supply and demand.....and wanting instant gratification.
There are a lot of people with a lot of money who wouldn't think twice about paying $2,000 for a $1,000 gun.
It's just money...and "too much" is relative.
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JMOfartO:
Well, I'm on the pre-order list.. (Nov '11) and I'm quite happy to wait until my name floats to the top, here's why..
I assume EVERY new "anything" will have unfound bugs. I have "beta-tested" for several firearms manufacturers before, and I have promised myself I would try to never do that again.. So, I'm glad to see several hundred XR9-S in the hands of new owners so THEY can do that "beta-testing" job for Arne and company.
So, far (and I'll probably forget a couple) the early Bobergs had white dots falling out of the sights, sights actually falling off, problems with bullet/case separation, ease of cycling a first round issues, and the weights of the trigger springs that started out at 5.5lbs, has changed a couple of times (7.5/9.5lbs) and I think there was an issue with the quality of the grip screws, or something like that.
Every indication I have seen shows Arne is first class in every way, and when bugs are found he immediately takes steps to resolve them.. Whatever issue shows up in the early XR9-S's gets immediate attention, and when the dust settles the customer is 100% satisfied.
That's all you can ask of Arne and his new "pocket rocket" 9MM pistol.
So, I'm thinking by the time I get MY new Boberg XR9-S those piddling bugs, found so far, will be absent from MY new gun, and I'll have benefited from those earlier owners who did that "beta-testing" for Arne & Co.
There may be a few still hidden, but I have complete faith that whatever it might be will be fixed under warranty so I just don't worry about it.
I've seen the XR9-S sell on Gunbroker for fantastic prices.. To that all I have to say, is "hey, it's the American way"... Free enterprise and all that stuff..
Folks with plenty of money have the opportunity to give some of it to someone else who bought what is being sold at a cheaper price than he/she is selling it for now.
Yea! It's a "win-win".
I'm getting really excited about getting my new 9MM XR9-S.. :)
If I don't like it one of you rich guys or gals can buy it from me on Gunbroker for more than I paid Arne for it! ;)
But I'm thinking ~ that's not gonna happen. Seems almost everyone who already HAS one, loves it...
I'm betting I will too, and I have my thousand bucks just sitting in my checking account awaiting the call..
No offense to anyone who might see this situation differently from me.
Just making conversation.
I think I'll just step out back and pet my dawg and run a few rounds down-range... ;)
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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Just wondering, I don't know much about the boberg, does it do anything the r9s doesn't, or at least do something much better. To me it has to be something function wise because cosmetically its not as good looking as the rohrbaugh. Someone enlighten me.
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The Boberg has a 4.2 inch barrel vs. the 2.85 inch of the R9, +P capability and one extra round in a pistol the same basic size as the R9 although heavier, Read about it for yourself.
http://www.bobergarms.com/
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Just wondering, I don't know much about the boberg, does it do anything the r9s doesn't, or at least do something much better. To me it has to be something function wise because cosmetically its not as good looking as the rohrbaugh. Someone enlighten me.
1 It's VERY difficult to limp wrist the gun.
2. It'll shoot +P all day long.
3. The felt recoil is far less than the Rohrbaugh.
4. The life of the recoil spring is well over 1,000 rounds.
Enlightened?
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But it's still the ugly girl at the dance. ;D ;D Stick with the pup and you won't regret it. :)
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But it's still the ugly girl at the dance. ;D ;D Stick with the pup and you won't regret it. :)
Let's see, you can't limp wrist it, it shoots +P's, you don't have to replace the recoil spring every 200 rounds....and it fits absolutely perfect in your hand.
Just think of it as a "Pup" with bigger teeth. ;D
This is who I'm taking to the dance Yankee.
She's beautiful.
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I didn't know any of that, I still definitely prefer a rohrbaugh but being able to fire plus p ammo, and an extra round are pretty good reasons, the recoil spring thing is no big deal to me since they only cost 5 bucks. All that said the rohrbaugh is a real classy pistol that fills its role better than any I've ever seen. Its a real gentlemans gun lol. When they're more available ill check out the boberg.
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With all the top notch standard pressure 9mm ammo available + P is just not that big a deal at self defense distances. If you haven't got the job done in 7 shots I guess #8 can be for yourself before the perp beats you to death.
I seriously doubt you will ever encounter a shootout at the OK Corral scenario and with the exception of LEOs you will never need 8 or even 7 rounds.
The pup will be imitated but never surpassed. :)
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JMOfartO (again).
I don't think there is a "loser" when you compare the top quality Rohrbaugh pistol with the new uniquely designed, I believe of equally high quaity Boberg XR9-S..
The more quality firearms available to the buying public, the better..... :)
I have read posts on other forums where the owners of Rohrbaugh have been very kind in their comments about Arne and his XR9-S as he went thru the process of fine-tuning the Boberg pistol from his first vision to completion of the XR9-S for approximately 8 years.. No where have I seen it written that the good folks who make Rohrbaugh's have had a problem with a little competition, and I think it's classy of them to take the "high road" when others try and stir up the different camps comparing the two.
I applaud Rohrbaugh for making an exceptional concealed carry 9MM pistol, and I equally applaud Arne for designing and now producing another fine sub-compact 9MM pistol in his XR9-S...
Plenty of room at the table for more than one top quality 9MM subcompact pistol..
No offense.
Jesse
P.S. And Yankee.... I agree with you that most up close and personal shoot out are resolved with few rounds fired, but anyway you look at it, an extra available round is NEVER a bad thing. ;)
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I have no issue with the quality of the Boberg and wish Arne nothing but the best, it's just not an appealing design to me. I have held a boberg and it feels good in the hand but it's just not for me.
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The Rohrbaugh is an outstanding gun. That's indisputable.
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I agree with yankee, the design is what's getting me too, its a weird looking weapon. And more importantly its bigger than the rohrbaugh. I'm sure it'll be a fantastic carry gun and one thing I really like about it is that it appears to have real sights, if it can be equipped with tritium that's even better. Of course at the distances these things are designed to shoot the sights are not that important but it still good to have if possible, however the rohrbaugh is functional efficient artwork.
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Comparing the R9 to the XR9-S [ sounds similar, doesn't it? ] is like comparing chalk and cheese. They both have their place and to each his own. This is, after all, called the "Rohrbaugh Forum", not the Karl/Eric/Arne forum.
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Comparing the R9 to the XR9-S [ sounds similar, doesn't it? ] is like comparing chalk and cheese. They both have their place and to each his own. This is, after all, called the "Rohrbaugh Forum", not the Karl/Eric/Arne forum.
tracker: You are indeed correct in that this is the "Rohrbaugh Forum", but this section is dedicated to "other guns", so I would suggest this is the proper place, IN the Rohrbaugh Forum, to be discussing "other guns"..
I believe the Boberg qualifies as "other guns" so guess we are all right where we need to be, discussing what we need to discuss..
My comments about the owners of Rohrbaugh and how they have treated Arne and his XR9-S, was meant to be complimentary, not negative in any way.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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I have no issue with the quality of the Boberg and wish Arne nothing but the best, it's just not an appealing design to me. I have held a boberg and it feels good in the hand but it's just not for me.
yankee:
There ya go... :) You have held a Boberg, and just did not care for it. Personal choice in action.... At least you have made your decision based on actually having held the XR9-S rather than just assuming from having seen photos and because it's a homely little bugger it's not a quality firearm..
Fair enough..
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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In the marketing game, fashion wins over function 90% of the time.
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In the marketing game, fashion wins over function 90% of the time.
MRC:
I believe you are entirely correct... And what a sad commentary on the values of 90% of the American buying public....
Best Wishes,
Jesse
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Just a coincidence, but I just got an e-mail from Boberg that they were ready to process my order. Should have two coming in 2 to 8 weeks.
Before anyone asks I got on the preorder list 9-19-2011.
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If there were no option that was better or equal I would own a Boberg. I wouldn't carry a Jimenez just because I thought it was a great looking gun.
If Boberg ever comes out with the long version it may be a consideration because it is more pleasing to the eye. ;D
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If there were no option that was better or equal I would own a Boberg. I wouldn't carry a Jimenez just because I thought it was a great looking gun.
If Boberg ever comes out with the long version it may be a consideration because it is more pleasing to the eye. ;D
yankee:
Respectfully, I don't pick my self defense firearm choices because of how they look... "Pleasing to the eye" is certainly a plus, but performance trumps beauty (in a firearm) every time.
Just from the early owner reviews it seems the XR9-S "performs" quite well, despite being "less than beautiful" in appearance.
If truth be told I'm guessing the Rohrbaugh, Kimber Solo, AND the Boberg offer pretty much only one thing over several other quality 9MM pistols, and that is they are tiny in comparison..
I have a Ruger LC9 that @ $365.00 has turned out to be an excellent 9MM cc pistol.. It is so good it has sent my previous favorite HK P2000sk to the gun safe.. It is accurate, absolutely reliable, light, thin, easy to cc..
Do I expect my Boberg XR9-S to be twice the gun of the Ruger LC9?
Nope.
But the XR9-S will be smaller than the Ruger, as would the Rohbaugh, and that's the attraction.
Presently I carry my LWS380 in a rear pocket holster almost 100% of the time. I have a very nice Ruger LCP (w/Innovative Arms external sight upgrade & CT Laser). The LCP is light years easier to shoot than my beloved Seecamp... With the external sights and laser it is obviously easier to shoot VERY ACCURATELY as well.
But, it's just enough larger than my LWS380 that most of the time I cannot carry it, easily concealed, in my back pocket.
So, I have a pistol that is easier to shoot, easier to shoot more accurately than my Seecamp, cost well less than 50% of what the LWS380 cost, but the tiny size of the Seecamp trump carry for me, over the LCP most of the time.
It's all about size.
I'm going to leave this conversation to you after this post, as I don't mean to come off as confrontational or looking for an argument. I was just making conversation...
You love your Rohrbaugh, you don't care for the Boberg, and that's certainly your business because what is "right for you", is right for you...
Again, no offense, and best wishes, :)
Jesse
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If there were no option that was better or equal I would own a Boberg. I wouldn't carry a Jimenez just because I thought it was a great looking gun.
If Boberg ever comes out with the long version it may be a consideration because it is more pleasing to the eye. ;D
yankee:
Respectfully, I don't pick my self defense firearm choices because of how they look... "Pleasing to the eye" is certainly a plus, but performance trumps beauty (in a firearm) every time.
Jesse
100 true.
I've never thought of a handgun as a fashion statement.
My wife buys a dress because it's "pleasing to her eye".
The criteria I use when buying a self defense handgun is slightly more involved.
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Much of what affects the appearance of the Boberg is that it is of a "Bullpup" Design which necessitates the need to move the Barrel back. Causing the odd Look when compared to "Normal designs". It is a matter of form following function. I understand about not being pleasing to the eye. I am not a big fan of it either, I much prefer the more classic look of a 1911 design. And I think Glocks are butt ugly as well. I ordered a Boberg out of curiosity. And should be about a month out from it's arrival. Am looking forward to playing with the little sucker. But as many of us understand, If one finds a gun that not only functions as advertised but is pleasing to the eye it is a thing that sometimes cannot be described.
Chief
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No offense taken.
What I was trying to convey was all thing being equal or nearly so given the choice of a truly nice looking pocket carry gun and a less than nice looking one I will take the one that is pleasing to my eye.
I don't believe it has anything to do with a fashion statement, Function / reliability, weight and then looks are the order of my carry selections.
I'll leave this post for people who have a genuine interest in the Boberg. :)
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As ugly as the Glock is, it has grown on me; this one doesn't stand a chance. It looks like a Trabant driving backwards down the road.