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Title: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kcub on December 03, 2010, 10:32:54 AM
I recently bought a CSM model 21 20 gauge.

Took it quail hunting and just couldn't miss.  I heart it dearly.  It supplants the model 21 my dad should have left me but instead gave to some obscure friend's daughter for no special reason decades ago.
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: Richard S on December 03, 2010, 12:39:13 PM
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I recently bought a CSM model 21 20 gauge.

Took it quail hunting and just couldn't miss.  I heart it dearly.  It supplants the model 21 my dad should have left me but instead gave to some obscure friend's daughter for no special reason decades ago.

That is one fine shotgun you have there!

I think a side-by-side 20-guage is my favorite shotgun. The best wing shot I ever made was accomplished with one -- an old engraved Stevens SxS 20-guage double. It was back around 1980 and I was hunting migratory doves with the  retriever I owned at the time, a young but very talented Vizsla bitch, down on the James River in Goochland County, Virginia. We were on the north bank of the river looking upland when a pair of doves came straight at us, high and fast. The dog was sitting on her haunches just to my right. Somehow, I managed to lead the pair exactly right and they fell about half a second apart literally at the dog's feet. She looked at the birds, which were both cleanly killed and not moving, looked up at me, looked back at the birds, and finally looked up at me again as if to say, "What am I supposed to do now?"

And speaking of CSM Model 21s, take a look at this custom engraved beauty:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/WINCHESTER-Model-21-CSM-CUSTON-ENGRAVED.cfm?gun_id=100087951
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 03, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
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I recently bought a CSM model 21 20 gauge.

Took it quail hunting and just couldn't miss.  I heart it dearly.  It supplants the model 21 my dad should have left me but instead gave to some obscure friend's daughter for no special reason decades ago.

One excellent shotgun, indeed.  My story is very similar, as I was looking forward someday to getting my Dad's double barrel
Fox 16 guage.  Lo and behold, went over to visit Mom and Dad one day and Dad says he just sold his Fox shotgun.

I was devastated, to say the least.  Some guy was going around stopping at each and every house wanting to know if they had any old stuff for sale.  He offered Dad $400 and, of course, the gun was sold.  This was many years ago as well.

Now, I haven't gotten one to fill its spot yet, so to speak, but maybe.............. one day.
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kcub on December 03, 2010, 02:45:39 PM
Well CSM is remaking the Fox as well, though like the 21, you'll pay through the nose for one.

http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/ahfox1.html

My 21 is blued and engraved very much like this picture.

(http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/csmc/index/model21/M217.jpg)

Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 06, 2010, 10:13:30 AM
kcub.  Thanks for the link to the Fox.  I had no idea they were now that expensive.  $WOW!
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 06, 2010, 11:38:16 AM
Makes the Barrett seem like a real steal. ;D ;D

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 06, 2010, 11:56:31 AM
The Fox now goes to the backburner!    ;D
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: theirishguard on December 06, 2010, 12:45:17 PM
I once had a english double rifle... Watson Bros., London .450 nitro #2. made in 1913  Tom
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Post by: tracker on December 06, 2010, 01:01:33 PM

The .450 is definitely Savanna material. Did you ever fire it?
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: Richard S on December 06, 2010, 02:41:07 PM
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I once had a english double rifle... Watson Bros., London .450 nitro #2. made in 1913  Tom

Tom:

That "monster" cartridge was legendary among professional hunters leading African safaris back in the late-19th and early-20th Centuries. To have owned a double express rifle chambered for it must have been a source of great pride.

I believe the original .450 Nitro was one of the cartridges favored by Frederick Courteney Selous, African hunting buddy of President Theodore Roosevelt. Selous was the inspiration for H. R. Haggard's Allan Quatermain novels. Those novels, in turn, inspired the Indiana Jones series. And  Quatermain returned to popular culture in recent years as the main character played by Sean Connery in the movie,  League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

All back to the .450 Nitro . . . .   8)

Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 06, 2010, 03:02:39 PM
Richard,
   Very interesting info, its great to get on here and learn new things.

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 06, 2010, 03:11:10 PM
The .450 Rigby rimmed 3 1/4" Nitro Express; very potent!

(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/450RigbyRimmedthreeandaquarterinchN.jpg)
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 06, 2010, 05:17:31 PM
kj, Maybe you can have a pistol made in that caliber.(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/star-buddy-icon.gif)

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 06, 2010, 05:25:33 PM
I'll stick with the rifle!    ;D
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kcub on December 06, 2010, 08:42:42 PM
I used to have a Westley Richards droplock .470 and did some African hunting.

I met an interesting former professional hunter Mike Hissey who had the distinction of killing a wounded leopard with a knife.

The leopard let Hissey and the client go by and jumped on the tracker.  Hissey couldn't shoot for fear of killing the tracker so he dropped his gun, pulled his knife, and dove in.
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kcub on December 06, 2010, 08:48:43 PM
I got my eye on a nice Merkel.

I'll try and trade a bunch of guns on it tomorrow.
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 06, 2010, 10:16:27 PM
Wishing you the best on getting the Merkel!  MAN!  What a gun!
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 06, 2010, 11:12:30 PM
kj,
  Here is one you may want to start saving for its not a double but its pretty nice.

Rifles—firearms with helical grooves carved into the barrel to impart greater range and accuracy—have been in military use since the Seven Years War in Europe. While originally used only by sharpshooters and hunters, today’s rifles are the standard arms of the modern infantryman. Of course, none of them get to carry the most expensive rifle in the world.
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/expensive-rifle.jpg)



VO Vapen Royal Collection United Arab Emirates Edition rifle

The gun is a product of Viggo Olsson, the Swedish gunsmith who founded VO Vapen in 1977. Called the H.H. Sheikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan Mosque Rifle, it was created as a tribute to its namesake building in Abu Dhabi. The rifle was modeled after the mosque’s impressive chandelier and features gold inlays and thirty-six diamonds of various colors. The exclusive rifle is valued at $825,000. Olssen has also produced 100 Royal Collection United Arab Emirates Edition rifles priced at a somewhat more modest $525,000.

Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 07:40:22 AM
WOW!  Very impressive!  
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 07, 2010, 08:36:40 AM
kj,
  I thought you would appreciate a fine piece like that, although it may be hard to convenience ones wife that spending half a million on a gun was necessary. :o  ;D

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 09:08:02 AM
Appreciate it, indeed!  And my wife wouldn't mind as long as she didn't know!    ;D  And she knows everything!    :D
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 07, 2010, 01:07:13 PM
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Appreciate it, indeed!  And my wife wouldn't mind as long as she didn't know!    ;D  And she knows everything!    :D

I know how that is.  ;D ;D

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
Tell me about it!   Sometimes it's mind boggling.    ;D
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 07, 2010, 07:15:07 PM
After being married 40 years I think sometimes she knows what I'm thinking before I have a chance to think it. :o :o

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 07:28:44 PM
Same here.  She knows I have a new gun before I get in the house!    ;)
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kcub on December 07, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5242615464_11a35af4cb.jpg)

Well, I got that Merkel.  She's a beaut.  I may give it to my son if he appreciates it enough.
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 07:51:03 PM
Congrats!  Words are hard to describe a Merkel!  Fantastic, great, amazing; I could go on.  Hope your son does know what he may be getting.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 07, 2010, 08:36:38 PM
A true piece of master craftsmanship, congratulations.

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: Richard S on December 07, 2010, 08:55:08 PM
Dip me in Holy Water, but that is truly a legacy shotgun! Congratulations are in order.
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: yankee2500 on December 07, 2010, 10:10:15 PM
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(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5242615464_11a35af4cb.jpg)

Well, I got that Merkel.  She's a beaut.  I may give it to my son if he appreciates it enough.

If your son doesn't appreciate it enough, you could adopt
me.;D ;D

John
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 07, 2010, 10:22:35 PM
(http://s575.photobucket.com/albums/ss197/kjtrains/smiley-7.gif)
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kcub on December 12, 2010, 07:46:35 AM
I took my son skeet shooting with the Merkel yesterday and we had an instructor because I'm not that great at teaching it.  We both shot that Merkel extremely well with those helpful tips.

My son scored hits more than half the time in 10-30 mph gusting  winds and its only his 2nd time to fire a shotgun!  He's 19 and never been much into guns but I think I may have finally hooked him good.  The Merk is now his and it's worth it.  We're going quail, chukkar, and pheasant hunting behind dogs later this month.  We're both looking forward to it.  Here's the place:

http://www.spanishoakhuntclub.com/

Good times. :)
Title: Re: anybody like doubles?
Post by: kjtrains on December 12, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
Sounds like an exciting event at a great place.  Congrats goes to your son on the Merkel.  Enjoy the time and be careful as I know you will.